paully: I’ve spent the last hour reading all the posts on this subject with a growing sadness.
Pedestrian- Regarding your post that you don’t like it here anymore and you’re finished. Don’t forget the vast majority of members just play their games, don’t take them too seriously and never make a post. Don’t let the vitriol of a small minority disillusion you.
I like to think Fencer’s remarked were written in haste and he regrets them. It is a shame he didn’t issue a quick apology rather than letting things run.
Paully, it’s funny how two people can read something so completely different. I’ve never played either Pedro or Tenuki but Tenuki’s ratings over a large number of games speak for themselves. While Pedro clearly things Tenuki has cheated it is also clear to me that much of this is personal and rather unpleasant.
Pedro Martínez: its not surprising Pedro. No need to fight anymore, it is obvious he was cheating, he is now banned, the right outcome has been achieved. It is funny how some people defend an obvious cheat just so they can feel important LOL
You can't sign up for any ponds. You say you can? OK, sign up for some and post the pond here so we can see.
I was accused many times and by many people. Always by inept people who don't know how ponds are played though. YOU have now accused me of cheating. I want you to provide more information. Where did I cheat?
Pedro Martínez: I never claimed my formula to be perfect, efficient, accurate, good or even fair...just a formula as many players have. I will answer privately any message from all the players who I don´t hate, which are almost all except for the one making false accusations.
I´m glad you didn´t even got close to my explanation, regarding the example you mention due to the totally unexpected timing out by pauloaguia in *9, my formula loses credibility, added to the fact of so much disparity in the previous round´s bets, so you must rely only on the previous sum, as was pointed in my explanation when I said: ¨..., which uses last 3 bets (or 2 when the 3rd one is unavailable because of timing out)...¨ Sometimes on such a situation I try to make an educated ¨guess¨ as I failed frequently in the past (and my student also failed in this one, as a prove!), but this time knowing she would use the formula as stated I took profit.
tenuki: Nice story, and it even has a happy ending. Too bad that it is not based on a true one. The point is that if you used the “security number given by a proportion of the gap amongst the player who felt and the one who was saved”, the two bets in Round 22 and 21 in this pond would be DIFFERENT. 1700 is not the same as 2709, therefore your “security number” would not be the same either.
tenuki: Thanks for sharing your version of the story. The way you describe things, it was clearly not a case of team play. I think you did the right thing by not joining any more ponds when you knew you would have this advantage. I don't know what you could have done instead, except perhaps not sharing your formula in the first place - but I guess it would have been difficult to see all this coming at that point.
To me, this entire incident is mainly a result of unclear rules and/or rules that are in place but not implemented. It's still unclear whether team play is actually allowed in ponds although it seems like we're all against it. And everybody knows that multinicks, although outruled, are neglected and allowed in practice. All this creates an environment where it's easy to speculate about all kinds of cheating. (Which is why I think this subject should have stayed on the BrainKing.com board - like Gabriel Almeida said, "this is not about ponds, but about BK politics")
Subject: other side of the moon Hi friends (and the others ) As I promised to some of you, as long as I had some idle time (had a lot of work last days) I will clarify the issue. 1) it´s funny to be accused by someone who was previously accused of collusion himself (I can remember a comment Pedro made public on a pond after rabbitoid congratulate him for a nice work peeking a probable inactive player. Pedro answered something like: ¨thanks rabbitoid, at least I´m not accused of colluding this time) 2) nauars is one of my online (she lives on another country) Bridge students, and as she started playing backgammon I recommended her to join BK; she did and she liked the site. 3) After some BG games, she asked me about ponds as she read the rules and was interested in playing the game, so I encouraged her to start playing ponds and sent her the formula I deviced, which uses last 3 bets (or 2 when the 3rd one is unavailable because of timing out) plus a ¨security number¨ given by a proportion of the gap amongst the player who felt and the one who was saved (not counting your own if you are the saved one) 4) as times went by it was unavoidable we would meet on some ponds and, except for first two rounds (when my formula can´t be applied, and that explains WHY ON SOME OF THOSE PONDS SHE HAD MORE POINTS LEFT THAN ME! interesting that nobody noted it...) it was easy for me to use my own formula and add ONE 5) Having noticed she enjoyed playing ponds (even more than backgammon!) I refrained to starting NEW ONES, (you can check that I do not sign in any more ponds since. Only those I had already signed in, mostly those named like 12.12.12 organized by R.A.D.Y. which i signed in several months in advance) so as not to have such advantage anymore, but what do you think I should have done on those games we met? should I have bet 0 to fall or just go on? I think half of you would think I should have left while the other half would agree to use the advantage as Pedro himself did on that good bet peeking if an inactive player would connect seconds before deadline. I checked the pond´s rules and saw nothing wrong in using that advantage, so I did, but refused to have it on porpouse in the future and stopped staring new ones. 6) For those still in doubt I can draw your attention on this: http://brainking.com/en/Achievements?p=1&aid=152, where it shows I already managed to ocupy first place on all 3 kind of ponds long before my student started playing ponds herself. 7) I had seen other players making really ODD bets to benefit a friend (those were generally of the same country and had SIMILAR NICKNAMES!!) 8) I had also read out there that someone suggested nauars and me being a ¨multiple account¨... I had to laugh, as she mostly love to play the games I usually dislike: dice games! I hope to have enlighted the issue. Thanks to those who believed and defended me, even without knowing the whole story. And, I hope the rest of you who think I should have acted differently, will at least change your mind from ¨cheating¨ to ¨using unfair advantage¨ (if they think I´m still guilty) and I apologize for that (even when I still think it was NOT unfair) Delete Reply (box)Edit
Vacations, heat, lost interest... whatever. Ponds have a hard time filling. Unfortunately I've started a lot, so I've rescheduled mine to start once a week, instead of twice a week. 2 are already late starting, one needs only 1 player.
How about this, I havent a name for it but it will make rain ponds better I think...
Instead of 500 bonus points for the player with the second highest bid, that player earns a "life" of "life vest", which, of course, could be used once in later rounds to stay dry instead of falling in the pond. The player with the highest bid without life vests falls in, as so the lowest without a life vest, and all players with lifevest who has lower or higher bids use those. Of course, if a life vest is used, the player cannot earn another in that round. The number of life vests is always shown in another collumn.
rabbitoid: Only signed up for two, did not see all the rest of them. Had to move my wrist and my finger and thats just SO much work. Looks like you were doing some elbow exercises as well with those pond names
rod03801: I just checked my message box...no splash notice to this pond, sassy got the same message and also showed several left, and got my curiosity up. if it would have sent me a splash notice...we wouldnt be having this conversation.
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