It give you the pip count (Well it is labeled "Points") above & below the board.

how did you count the pips? Manually looking at the games?

What is the record for a completed game witht he least amount of moves (turns)?

No. In Backgammon there is skill and luck. One can win games with luck and no skill or with skill and no luck or having both luck and skill.
You say that someone must have luck to outplay another. This is not true. He can do this if he has the ability/knowledge/skill even without much luck.

What i meant was that the quality of moves i played was much better than my opponents, but the luck they had was enough for them to win me. Despite the fact that i was playing the best moves while they played wrong, the dice for them was MUCH better.
As i've said my pipcount number of my first ~60 games was 86% of the pipcount number of my opponents. That was VERY strange. Now after 120+ games, i calculated it again and it is 96% of my opponent. A logical value.

Can you please explain one thing to me ?
How can a person say "I hate when i'm outplaying my opponent and the dice decides that he should win!" The dices are part of the game and I don`t think that you are outplaying the opponent without the dices,,,,,

lol. I would suggest a game that doesn't involve dice then. Backgammon with no doubling cube has a large component of luck.

Grrrrrrr... I would suggest that the 66 and 55 must be removed from the possible rolls here:)

I hate when i'm outplaying my opponent and the dice decides that he should win! In my games here i have a dice-number about 0.86 of the opponent until now. This is amazing and one can easily say that Brainking dice hates me!

thanks for clarifying the rules :)

agreed, i would never knowingly play an illegal move.

Grenv is precisely correct. This raises the question whether one who knows the rules should play by them, even when ignoring the rules gives him a better outcome.

I have gone both ways on this question, but lately I have decided to make the "really" correct move, rather than the move that is legal only in "brainkinggammon".

If the larger number is not playable at all, you are allowed to play the smaller.

You are NOT allowed to play ONLY the smaller if you could have moved the larger, or both, some other way.

This rule is NOT supported here, so we are really playing brainkinggammon, rather than backgammon. I understand that it is a bug that was prioritized low, presumably because the owner of the site is not a big proponent of the game?

For the same reason the doubling cube, which is essential to a real game, is not here either.

If backgammon is your main game go to another site.

ok, i forgot which board they were talking about using only one dice and this site doesnt support the real rules of backgammon.. (which board was it that Harley said take it here?) i tried all on my list.. anyway, i hope this is going to be answered.. i just learned this game on this game site, so i didnt know any other rules, so all you gammoners who play by the rules, if ive ever used a dice wrongly, hey, i didnt know!! so now i have a ?

i just played a turn where i was booted to the bar, my turn came up and my dice were a 1 and a 6. the larger of the 2, (the 6) was not a playable number, but i was able to get out on the 1, was that legal by the rules of backgammon, or just something allowed here?

I agree, especially when my opponent, who is behind, rolls three doubles in a row, high numbers, and I roll a one and a two.

Stupid Dice

When I roll the three doubles and win a lost game, the dice are so very smart. :)

We talk about how stupid the dice are sometimes.....



Grrr.... stupid dice!

What the heck do you people talk about in here. :)

Why don't they sleep when they are playing me? :)

Sshhhh! Don't wake everyone up while they are sleeping!!! lol

this board has been quiet :/

:'( ....so sad...

seems puppet is boycotting all games. :(

Well...except for 'puppet', who seems to be boycotting all gammon games, I've sent out invites to everyone who's posted here.

Wonder how many game invites you're going to be flooded with. :)

Does no one read this board???
I NEED some games to play!
JUNKIE here!
Someone challenge me!!!
I double-dog dare you!!
(pathetic whinning now) P L E A S E !!!

to bad Fencer has to sleep. I'll send him a message and see if he can fix it

I'm sure that I sent you an invite a week ago, I just looked at your profile and the invite box wasn't there which means that I already sent it. I wonder if you deleted the message without accepting it

just a reminder that the top 50 invitational starts up later tonight, there is still a feew people who haven't joined, check your message box

Instead of talking about it all day, we're doing something to raise money. We are trying to set up a prize tournament to raise money for BK. The tournament will be backgammon with an entrance fee of $5 with all proceeds going to BK. The prize will be $50 to the winner. Get a chance at $50 and help BK all in one. You will be asked to pay the fee of $5 once we know we have enough interested players. All entrance fees will have to be collected before the tournament can begin.
In order for this to work well we are hoping for at least 100 entrants which would be $500
$450 would go to BK and $50 to the winner. Please only serious entrees please. If you sign up for this tournament we will take it that you will be willing to pay the fee.

You can sign up for this tournament
Here

If you do not play backgammon and would like to donate please send me a pm. Thanks :•)

So i suggest auto moves for cubed games where the player has no choice (Stuck on the bar), as well as playing tournaments where the max turn time is 1 day.
In addition often the round winners can be figured out before all the slow games are played.
Finally, you can always play quick games on this site if you want as long as both players want to.

LJ - I would agree that turn-based cubing is pointless (That is if you are looking for quick games) Some people don't mind longer games, and an idea is to put a "warning" on cubed games (once they come here) that games could take longer then normal... or something like that.

Actually a good place to play quicker backgammon "cubed" tournament is www.dailygammon.com - which is turn based, but was a cool unique "computer guessing" which will allow you to make mulitple moves in one turn.

I'm sure you two guys are right about the luck aspect. The cream will always rise to the top eventually. The more games used for calculating the rating the better.

right, in the long run it will tend to show the better players, though the luck aspect will mean the ratings will fluctuate more than a game like chess (my rating fluctuates between 1900 and 2100, whereas in chess versions it is relatively stable).

"Backgammon" is not mostly luck, or there would not be players with ratings as high as yours! An individual game of backgammon can be determined by the dice, but a player's overall success -- such as is shown by his rating -- is determined entirely by skill. In other words, since in the long run luck is the same for everyone, a player's RELATIVE degree of overall success has nothing to do with luck and everything to do with his or her ability.

i wouldn't say 95%, but high nevertheless. Positioning of the pieces plays a big part to setting up a winning position.
iyt successfully incorporates the doubling cube, it is just another option while it's your turn after all. It should be added here as well, along with the bug fix that allows the use of one die only when both are available.

But since currently the double cube is not used at this site, and all games are a 1 point match - sometimes (if far behing) it is a stratigy to keep some of your pieces in the players home field in the hopes of taking out one of thier checkers and hopefully giving you a second chance.... but when playing with the cube, that is a very dangerous strategy since you could lose 2-3 times the value of the cube.

Thanks, Niki!! I think I'm just about to be the victim of a backgammon!

If the loser has not borne off any of his checkers he is gammoned (and would lose twice the value of the doubling cube if there was one) If the loser has not borne off any of his checkers and still has a checker on the bar, or in the winners home board, he is backgammoned (and would lose 3 times the value of the doubling cube)

Could someone please explain to me what a 'gammon' is and what a 'backgammon' is?
I've heard different things and I'm confused now. (no change there!)

Backgammon prize tourney starting January 31, 2004.

Winner will receive 6 month Rook membership. FOr those who are already paying members...your membership will be extended 6 months or will be upgraded from knight to rook..GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!!

I just checked zuggie's current dice rolles. He has 7 games going right now, 1 battleboat and 6 versions of gammon, here are his current rolls, 6-2,6-4,6-5,6-2,2-2 and 6-4. So obviously he is delusional

I just traded my 1-2 with your 6-6 for the 7th time today. Why don't you tell me your exact hours on the computer so I can get more sleep instead of waiting for you to make moves so that I can steal your rolls

I'd like to suggest therapy again. These paranoid delusions are really quite funny..

You should buy a membership and THEN tell us stats. It would certainly be semi-interesting if they improved...

I'd certainly be interested in playing a game against you to see if your dice really are that consistently bad .. though ofcourse, if they were ok in that particular game, you might accuse me of being in league with the nasty man who's been playing with your dice up till now :0)
but seriously, if you're up to the challenge... ?

so your saying that the games i have that are almost totally 1-2's and 1-3's and 1-4's will average out and i'll get entire games of doubles.....i've thought maybe that would happen too but it just seems to get worse.....count your moves and how many 6's you've gotten in that many moves...then come back and tell me it'll average out....mine don't average out...i have to scrape and claw in every game i play here while everybody i play just breezes around the board with double after double...your right though...i will stop playing here soon....no fun playing somewhere that's rigged for only paying players to win....although i put up a dam good fight even with the crap....i can't believe you all think it's so on the up and up....i wish you all could play my dice for a week i think you'd get pretty pissed and wind up writting here too..

Again, if you really feel that someone is sitting somewhere and personnaly giving you bad dice, you should just go somewhere else to play.

Why don't we tell whoever is messing with your dice to stop? Well because for 1) We do not know who is doing that, and 2) I personally do not believe that someone would do that.

Again, I don't think there is any way for me (or anyone) to make you believe that, so maybe it would be best just to play somewhere else that you trust more.

yes...members get better dice....the funny thing is they play their dice so dam dumb i can still win...your right about how many hours it would take to make sure EVERY move is watched so once in a long while i seem to catch whoever it is asleep and get decent dice.....but then the site slows down again and i can tell they're looking my games over again to see what to screw me again.....isn't it fun....if i left... then what would they do for fun....??

you haven't really played all that many games over all the variants here yet.. try playing a load more, and I'm sure you'll see that everything average's out over a larger number of games. Afterall, backgammon's a game where luck of the dice (good or bad !) really does have a lot to do with it.

why not tell whoevers messing with my dice to stop doing that...easier to shoot the messenger i guess....

Zuggie.. if it's bothering you this much, why play here ? The fact that you've looked into the amount you have, and complained about it a whole heap in the past, makes it pretty clear that you think the dice-man has a personal vendetta against you ! If it's causing you that much bother, and this site is as bad as you think.. oh, and I forgot about you thinking all members are cheating, or have someone fixing the dice on their behalf, then simply play elsewhere !

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you really feel that this is the "worst site on the internet", maybe you should try playing somewhere else.

I personally do not believe that someone would take the time out of their lives to personally pick out a pawn and make them get bad rolls.... I also believe that there is nothing I can say will change your mind either.... so honestly, if you really feel that way - it might be best to just start playing somewhere else.

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

my mistake...i missed a game adding the 1-2's ..1-3's and 1-4's....so i have 90 of those ...out of 163 moves....all i can say is it doesn't happen that way playing on a real board and it doesn't happen that way at any other sites i play at....only here....and i figure the site stuttering when i click games is when you look to see what will screw my game up the worst and give me that...this is the WORST site on the internet...!!!!!!!