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20. September 2010, 02:51:57
Mousetrap 
Subject: Re:Yeah
skipinnz: I think so too.

20. September 2010, 02:42:09
skipinnz 
Subject: Re:
Mousetrap: Got to be at your end as I've been on for over 6 hours and I've had no problems

20. September 2010, 02:38:28
Mousetrap 
Kicked off again in last 2 few secs. Wot is going on?

20. September 2010, 02:27:38
Mousetrap 
Subject: Re: Is anyone else finding
rod03801: That is a very good explaination but does nothing to solve the problem

20. September 2010, 02:24:55
Mousetrap 
Subject: Re: Is anyone else finding
MadMonkey: it just kick me off. Would not reconized Brainking.com. What the heck is going on?

20. September 2010, 02:15:17
MadMonkey 
Subject: Re: Is anyone else finding
Mousetrap: It does not so much effect brainking for me, BUT does on Facebook. It must be something to do with the States. They are asleep in our morning, and as you say i have no problems anywhere, but from about lunchtime it gets slower....can not think of any other reason

20. September 2010, 02:14:49
rod03801 
Subject: Re: Is anyone else finding
Mousetrap: Personally, I haven't had a problem in ages.

Just a reminder to check the usual article out. http://brainking.info/archives/414-About-the-complexity-part-1.html

20. September 2010, 02:12:00
Mousetrap 
Subject: Is anyone else finding
Modified by Mousetrap (20. September 2010, 02:13:07)
and harder to access brainking at night? Seems that early morning in the UK is the only time we can get on with no trouble these days

15. September 2010, 11:13:08
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: Achievement
rabbitoid: Hehehe... playing against him, and being able to finish the game without resign it, should give an achievement too, Rabbit... :)

15. September 2010, 00:06:46
rabbitoid 
Subject: Re: Achievement
Justaminute: When you play against His eminence, as I do, it's very simple: just roll. play whatever you like, the game won't finish in your lifetime anyway.

15. September 2010, 00:03:29
Justaminute 
Subject: Re: Achievement
rabbitoid:
No idea how you play clowning backgammon but your post was very entertaining.

14. September 2010, 21:34:53
skipinnz 
Subject: Re: Achievement
furbster: Furbuster you just need to play somebody who hasn't got auto pass. That way you can achieve it. LOL

14. September 2010, 19:34:37
furbster 
Subject: Re: Achievement
rabbitoid: Congrats on the achievement, i actually still need that one, maybe i should take auto pass off ha

14. September 2010, 19:31:21
rabbitoid 
Subject: Re: Achievement
Gabriel Almeida: Ah, clowning backgammon, my favourite subject

I roll and move pieces
wait 2 weeks (for a "5 day tournament")
His eminence passes for the 10th time in a row
(can't do that in a hurry, you need 2 weeks to ponder the subject)
I roll and move
Wait 2 weeks
What a suspense!
His eminence passes for the 11th time in a row (you never know, something might have changed)
Wait 2 weeks
Continue to shift vacation days. You never know. Maybe the rabbit died of boredom?
Wait 2 weeks
What's the lifespan of a rabbit, anyway?

What do you know, I DID get an achievement for this game: "Force the opponent to pass the move 10 times in a row without using the autopass in a single game of backgammon or its variants."

Isn't life a treat

14. September 2010, 16:27:39
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Achievement
Modified by Gabriel Almeida (14. September 2010, 16:36:13)

Hi,



I don't know where to do it (it must be a DB for that stufs, for sure, but... there are so many DB!!!), but I would like to suggest another Achievement. Look at this game that I'm p+laying with Altermann, and you will note that I have 50 or more pieces (I haven't counted alter's pieces, but there are a lot, also). It's an epic game! :)



Could this be bolded with an achievement, in future?


14. September 2010, 00:19:33
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re:
MadMonkey: Yes, I agree... that could be the idea!

13. September 2010, 13:00:44
MadMonkey 
Subject: Re:
furbster: Especially in Team Tournaments that are for the lesser played games, it would hopefully encourage more to try as you say

13. September 2010, 12:54:57
furbster 
Subject: Re:
MadMonkey: i think brains for the winning team in a team tournament is a good idea, it'd encourage more people to play, and they would be more competitive

13. September 2010, 12:40:08
MadMonkey 
Subject: Re:
Gabriel Almeida: It would be GREAT if ONCE a year Fencer set a few normal Tournaments and a few Team Tournaments with either Brains (or even Membership) as prizes

12. September 2010, 19:10:57
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re:
Fencer: Team Tournaments started with brain prizes. It would be great if you do that again, Fencer. It would be good for brains utlility, and to stronger/more dinamyc team tournaments...

11. September 2010, 19:17:51
furbster 
Subject: Re:
ScarletRose: ahh i don't think they put mine n the right place ha

11. September 2010, 18:41:54
Gouwe gozer 
Subject: Re:
ScarletRose: LOL

11. September 2010, 18:24:38
ScarletRose 
Subject: Re:
furbster: hon.. everyone got their.. ahem.. Free Brain when they were born.. *giggle*

11. September 2010, 16:42:30
coan.net 
Subject: Re:
MadMonkey: Wow, an old post. Just to put that post into context, that was BEFORE the current system of brains was in place where they are used to buy "REAL" things like membership.

An overview of the post - have a game site, a fake "currency" that people can earn - and then use that fake "currency" to buy special things - special things that would not take any actual money away from the site owner (like lost membership), but other little perks here and there - like maybe the ability to post in color for a week being something that can be purchased with the fake currency.

11. September 2010, 16:28:47
MadMonkey 
Subject: Re:
Fencer: Have you thought anymore about the discussion that started back in 2004

HERE & HERE by coan.net

It sparked a discussion about having Brain Prizes for all Tournaments. It has been mentioned a few times since (i have it on my list for you lol)

You thought it was a good idea at the time any new thoughts on the matter

It would need a bit of thinking about, the only addition i would make is those being members of winning Teams get a Prize as well. (if only a few Brains)

11. September 2010, 16:07:21
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
furbster: By referring new paying members.
And I prepare another option that should be much easier to everyone.

11. September 2010, 15:56:21
furbster 
Can anybody remember how to get the free brains, since we can no longer buy them at the moment?

5. September 2010, 20:40:37
Vikings 
Subject: POND DISCUSSION
tenuki has responded to the acusations brought up about him, I have moved it over to the Run Around The Pond Board for those that are interested http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=77

any further post on the subject should be made on that board

4. September 2010, 22:10:05
alilsassy 
Subject: Re: To those who think collaboration is OK
Modified by alilsassy (4. September 2010, 22:17:01)
rabbitoid: Perfect example....IMO, it's cheating, simple as that!

collaboration is : to work jointly with others.....both ponds & poker should be an individual strategy, not a partnership with another player.

4. September 2010, 20:46:51
rabbitoid 
Subject: To those who think collaboration is OK
Would you consider it OK if applied to poker too? allied players telling each other what their cards are? it's exactly the same principle.

4. September 2010, 17:57:08
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds
alexlee: I think this is not about ponds, but about BK politics.

4. September 2010, 16:10:05
alexlee 
Subject: Re: ponds
Hrqls:
Thank you for seeing my point about "losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings." I really have a hard time thinking of this as team play? A game where 2 players sign up as a team and they know who all the teams are is fine. Ponds you sign up as a single player. If teams are allowed then create a pond for teams and that would be fair play for all.

There is a discussion board for ponds and that might be a better place for this? Members who do not play in ponds must be slightly bored with this by now.

4. September 2010, 11:00:41
pedestrian 
Subject: Re: ponds
Hrqls: Both tenuki and Pedro Martínez are strong players, and I want to be able to respect them both. What they have achieved on this site has taken a lot of effort and deserves respect. And when one of them accuses the other of cheating, I still want to respect them both. Apparently, tenuki hasn't broken any rules even if there was team play - but the current discussion has shown that nobody (perhaps except Fencer) is really happy with this interpretation of the rules.

I do think it was wrong of Pedro to make public accussations, especially without proper evidence, and I have made that argument earlier in this discussion. But the problem is, I don't know what else he could have done. Clearly, if Fencer's position is that he doesn't really care and we shouldn't take the games too seriously, there's noone to turn to with your frustrations. I think that's the biggest problem here, and I think Fencer's disgraceful goodbye to Pedro confirmed this.

I don't like it here anymore, and I'll just finish the games I've started and not start any new ones. As for BrainKing3, I couldn't care less at this point. 

4. September 2010, 10:07:30
Hrqls 
Subject: ponds
personally i always think games should be played without help from anyone else ... ponds included .. i like the invidual acclompishment :)

but calling someone a cheater while he is just making use of the rules is too much

the issue with team play in ponds might be brought up in a discussion about ponds .. that has my full support

personally i think team play should not be allowed, and i think to remember from the earlier discussion that most players think about it that way

i fully respect tenuki and i dont think he has done anything wrong personally .. (although i didnt think about the rules about losing on purpose of bootsting ratings .. that indeed conflicts with the outcome of the former discussion (in which team play was not forbidden))

3. September 2010, 23:32:59
wetware 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Bwild wrote "I agree, and feel sorry for those who have purchased lifetime
memberships. it has to be discouraging,to say the least, to find out the
sites owner could care less if cheating goes on,or if long time members
leave because of the lack of interest provided by the owner. "

Thanks.  But mostly I have myself to blame.  My love of variants got the better of my judgment.  Live and learn: in the future, support responsive individuals and organizations.

3. September 2010, 19:10:07
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Modified by Gabriel Almeida (3. September 2010, 19:13:57)
Bwild: KM story was never properly solved. I left this site for a while because of that. Purple let me (still) blocked because I asked what happened, and asked why should only KM members moderate checkers board. I was an active player than, and stopped playing it (and writting in that board) because of that. That's why I say: Brainking really "don't give a sh..." (as Fencer said) about cheating. That's what I said in PM to Martinez: we should play according to this rules. I don't like them, but I play only against who I want (who I trust). But it's wrong, in my opinion. Wrong and bad for the site. Other sites "died" because of that. Km group made the same (and still cheat) in IYT, for example. Giving up to fight this is a way to give a "slow death" to the site. I'm not criticizing, I repeat. I'm giving you (and Fencer) my opinion, in order to make (keep) brainking as a great games site, maybe the best of the world!

3. September 2010, 19:03:29
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play

rod03801: However, Rod, Bwild said something interesting, about "loosing on purpose...". It's another way to see the question...


I agree with snoopy too. We should listen to both sides of the story. Although, I think Martinez was not incorrect, and his observation has legitimacy.


3. September 2010, 18:24:25
rod03801 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
alexlee I already said it.

Read the rules of Ponds. Where does it say it's cheating. It was even brought up at the beginning of Ponds that it would NOT be considered cheating.

Unfair? Possibly, to many people. Again, I would NOT want to play in a pond where I knew people played like that.

3. September 2010, 18:23:14
Bwild 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida: "However, BK stays much poorer without Pedro Martinez."
I agree, and feel sorry for those who have purchased lifetime memberships. it has to be discouraging,to say the least, to find out the sites owner could care less if cheating goes on,or if long time members leave because of the lack of interest provided by the owner.
when the KM members were finally exposed for being cheaters and thieves...it took a lot to get any action from the owner, and they are right back in our midst.
IF...and I say IF...bk3 ever evolves,its my understanding there will be no more fellowships.
well..imo...if theres no fellowships, and cheating is allowed...why pay to play?

3. September 2010, 18:21:24
alexlee 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
rod03801:
User agreement >>Game Guidelines:

NO CHEATING. This includes using outside programs to help play and losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings. Your account may be banned, and ratings will be removed.

Why wouldn't ponds be like any other game at BK? It says "losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings."

3. September 2010, 18:20:04
rod03801 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida: Yes, I DO agree completely. I wouldn't personally play that way.

I guess my point is that it isn't fair to publicly crucify someone for something that isn't TECHNICALLY cheating.

3. September 2010, 18:17:28
Snoopy 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida: there are always 2 sides to every story and
im waiting on hearing what the accused says on the subject

3. September 2010, 18:02:33
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play

rod03801: Yes, I understand... I didn't explained myself properly. I mean that it can be acceptable according to the rules, but it's morally (in my opinion) unfair and unnacceptable, because players don't play with the same chances. Is like a "horde chess game" or "Mancala game" if 1 player always play with white. A fair game, in my opinion, should give to both players the same possibilities, and the winner should be the player who have more inteligence, strategy, luck, whatever... not the one who have more "relations" Unless it is a game of "relations", as we have some in internet. That's my point.


In other words... it can be legal, but it's still unfair!


3. September 2010, 17:54:02
rod03801 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Gabriel Almeida: But it's NOT the rules. Where in the rules do you read that? And it has been stated in the past that there was not going to be restrictions on "team play".

3. September 2010, 17:18:42
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: ponds & team play
Hrqls: Rules are rules, but... this is OBVIOUSLY cheating (latu sensu), as some players as MORE CHANCES to win than others, not because of their inteligence/strategy/luck, but because of their "connections". As a game, it's absolutelly unnacceptable!

3. September 2010, 14:36:34
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Cheating stuffs
Modified by Gabriel Almeida (3. September 2010, 16:47:14)
Brainking never cared about it. It's a "political business".  As brainking's owner, Fencer is free to do whatever he wants. However, BK stays much poorer without Pedro Martinez. Couldn't this be solved more peacefully, Fencer? That "Fine,..." it's a "I want you to leave", and it's not honourable for you and the site.

3. September 2010, 10:54:02
Hrqls 
Subject: ponds & team play
the whole issue about ponds is :

is team play allowed ?

this topic has been discussed before (i think on the ponds board)
if i remember correctly the outcome was that team play was allowed, although many players didnt like it

this means that its not cheating to have someone tell you your bid for the next round .. so that he can bid 1 higher

3. September 2010, 06:15:56
tyyy 
Hey, the Phillies won tonight! just saying

3. September 2010, 05:50:17
rod03801 
Subject: Re: I will ask again???
Bernice: Once wasn't enough? If there is an answer, it will come. It has been brought up.

3. September 2010, 05:47:54
Bernice 
Subject: I will ask again???
How come Redfrog can be a global mod when he isnt even a paying member..

can't anybody do anything about this?

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