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20. January 2007, 12:15:16
joshi tm 
Subject: Re: Recycle Chess
Fencer: I never heard of this little gem. I should play and get a BKR for tyhe game.

20. January 2007, 12:13:50
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Recycle Chess
joshi tm: My favorite move is 1. Kxd1

20. January 2007, 12:10:08
joshi tm 
Subject: Re: Recycle Chess
nabla: So you can play moves like 1..Bxb2?
Sounds pretty cool.

20. January 2007, 12:08:07
nabla 
Subject: Recycle Chess
Wooohooooooooo ! Thank you Fencer, this variant rules !
Talking about rules, here are them in short :

A player can capture a piece of his own (except the king), which then becomes part of his stock. When a player has got a piece (or more) in his stock, he can - exactly like in Loop Chess - anytime, in place of a normal move, drop it on any empty square, except the first and last ranks for pawns. One can deliver check or mate in this way.

A king can escape a check by capturing one piece of this own. Unlike Loop Chess, all pieces captured to the opponent are removed from play forever. One cannot capture an own pawn en passant !

19. January 2007, 18:35:17
Dice Chess 
Subject: Re: dice chess
emmett: ive only got 5 games so far...with one win on another im slowly adding more when reguar chess is done...and russian roulette so true lol

19. January 2007, 18:25:10
goodbyebking 
Subject: Re: dice chess
Chess64: In the last week I finished 31 games of dice chess, and I have several games still running. It reminds me of Russian Roulette more than anything, with the six-sided die akin to the six chambers of a pistol.

19. January 2007, 18:14:53
Dice Chess 
Subject: dice chess
hi all ...dice chess reminds me of how I started chess 30 years ago I taught myself how to play because I had no opponet...ty for the new addition well done Fencer...all please feel free to invite me to a game. ty

18. January 2007, 18:57:27
joshi tm 
Subject: Re: Dice chess opening
BIG BAD WOLF: I prefer the e pawn, if I had rolled a 2 before, I prefer the a or h.

18. January 2007, 16:32:19
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Dice chess opening
Pafl: I always like to start to move the "g" pawn up quickly - that way if you are lucky, you can capture the "f" pawn and capture the king the next move of the pawn.

Of course most of the time it gets blocked or the king moves, but I think it has worked out for me in a couple of games.

18. January 2007, 08:49:03
goodbyebking 
I'd bring out a "a" or "h" pawn up two, so that the rook can get out. Nothing's worse than having 3 or 4 rook die rolls in a row with only one space to move it too.

18. January 2007, 08:45:25
Pafl 
Subject: Dice chess opening
Any opening strategy tips ? I usually start with the c-pawn (1.c4), so that the queen gets into the game and other pieces, rooks bishop and the king are still blocked ...

16. January 2007, 20:10:29
whirlybabe 
Subject: Re: Rules of Dice Chess
WhisperzQ: Matarilevich mentioned there being no queen on the board because he wanted to check specifically that the 5 could occur solely as a pawn promotion possibility.

15. January 2007, 23:04:11
WhisperzQ 
Subject: Re: Rules of Dice Chess
Matarilevich: It should also be possible to get a queen even if there was one on the board!

15. January 2007, 22:26:43
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Rules of Dice Chess
Matarilevich: 1) No. 2) Yes.

15. January 2007, 21:48:23
Kili 
Subject: Rules of Dice Chess
The rules say : "If a pawn is to be promoted (would advance to the last row), the player
can move it even if the die does not show 1. However, he can only
promote it to the piece chosen by the die roll - for example, if 3 is
rolled, the pawn can be promoted to a bishop only. If 1 is rolled, the
pawn can be promoted to any piece."
I have two questions:
(1) What does it happend if it´s rolled a 6? Could be promoted to a second king?
(2) In case of a pawn in the 7th file: If there isn´t queen on the board, is it possible to get a 5 and get a queen playing the pawn to the 8th. file?


15. January 2007, 21:24:46
Mort 
Subject: Re:
grenv: Octagonal dipyramid. lol

15. January 2007, 20:41:13
grenv 
Subject: Re:
BIG BAD WOLF: Right, my mistake, the 8-sided is regular but the 10-sided wasn't.

I had 4,6,8,10(used for %age),12,20 . I think that was the standard set.

15. January 2007, 20:21:34
coan.net 
Subject: Re:
Dice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice (Some links at the bottom of the page go to others which talk about different dice.)

15. January 2007, 20:20:28
joshi tm 
Subject: Re:
grenv: 8 sided is a doulbe 4 sided priamid (sort of diamond).

15. January 2007, 20:19:09
grenv 
Subject: Re:
Jules: i remember an 8-sided dice actually, which wasn't a regular shape. 16 is probably possible as well, though I never saw it while I played.

15. January 2007, 19:53:17
hexkid 
Subject: Re:
grenv: Nowadays there's dice of all kinds :)

Result of the throw of dice "8d23" :

13 + 5 + 23 + 7 + 8 + 20 + 13 + 18 = 107

15. January 2007, 19:17:31
Mort 
Subject: Re:
grenv: Uh uh. They sold 16 sided die when I played it.

15. January 2007, 17:34:17
grenv 
Subject: Re:
WhisperzQ: 16 sided? there was only 12 and 20 ,as dictated by geometry. To get 16 you'd need to roll 2 4-sided dice. The first would be 0, 4, 8 or 12 and the other 1,2,3,4.

15. January 2007, 13:59:01
WhisperzQ 
Another option for the die would be to use a 16-sided D+D die.

14. January 2007, 23:12:48
hexkid 
Subject: mid-game image in Cheversi rules
Shouldn't the image have a White King and a Black Queen? :)

14. January 2007, 01:41:15
panzerschiff 
Subject: Re:
Lawless: Six would definitely take the randomness out! However I am just trying to desribe a commercial variant that I played a long time ago in the 1980s. I never owned it and my memory may be a bit foggy. However foggy or not, with dice chess one still has to balance randomness with skill. With too many dice you might as well just play chess, and with too few there is no skill. One die seems too random for me, and those 4-move games published below must not have been that much fun to play for either side.

13. January 2007, 22:06:40
Lawless 
Subject: Re: dice chess
mangue:
Indeed, this is a very important questions. It absolutely has to be 1/2, not 8/10. That's because when you play with a real chessboard and die, the chance is 1/2.

13. January 2007, 21:59:08
Lawless 
Subject: Re:
panzerschiff:
Maybe you would like six dice, each with a different number?

13. January 2007, 18:20:18
joshi tm 
Subject: Re:
Modified by joshi tm (13. January 2007, 18:20:27)
grenv: or you could play it so;

At end of turn, re-roll the dice you used.

13. January 2007, 16:40:52
panzerschiff 
Subject: Re:
grenv: Yes the game I played allowed you to choose between the two die roll choices as well. It reduced the possibility of not being able to move anything.

13. January 2007, 15:09:57
grenv 
Subject: Re:
panzerschiff: With 2 dice do you choose between them?

13. January 2007, 01:11:51
panzerschiff 
Subject: Re:
mangue: I am curious why not two dice instead of one? A second die would allow a distribution of faces more equivalent with the number of pieces. I haven't played "Vegas Fun Chess" in a while but it seems on two dice there were 4 faces for pawns, 2 each for Knight, Bishop and Rook and 1 for the King and Queen. There also might have been a "variant with 3 faces for pawns and a wild card that allowed you to move anything. Vegas Fun chess, I think also allowed the king to move freely out of check. The checking player also had a free move to continue his attack after a check. Perhaps the last rule might be difficult to program in?

12. January 2007, 20:13:43
mangue 
Dice Chess (mangue vs. knivefer) in 4 too
I guess the shortest will be in 3 soon

12. January 2007, 15:26:05
furbster 
Subject: Re: Shortest Dice Chess game?
whirlybabe: Finished on the 10th, same bad luck. Dice Chess (Marfitalu vs. furbster)

12. January 2007, 15:23:05
Pafl 
Subject: Re: Shortest Dice Chess game?
whirlybabe: LOL, poor xeribolus :-)

12. January 2007, 15:01:14
whirlybabe 
Subject: Shortest Dice Chess game?
Here's one for the record book until a shorter one comes along. :-D

Dice Chess (xeribolus vs. whirlybabe)

11. January 2007, 20:03:03
mangue 
Modified by mangue (11. January 2007, 20:04:12)
well, draw means no piece can move, this is quite exceptional since there is no chess.

maybe something like : http://brainking.com/en/Board?bc=6&plla=107848

11. January 2007, 17:06:40
grenv 
Subject: Re:
Pafl: If it's not 1/2 you couldn't play this game easiliy across a board.

I'm guessing the stalemate position will be identified prior to rolling. In fact if it's smart there will be absolutely no re-rolling, you just program the randomizer with the number of posibilities prior to rolling, if it's 0 the game is a draw.

11. January 2007, 16:17:08
nabla 
Subject: Re: Cheversi
dameningen: You are right, it is probably better if the same player made one move for White and one move for Black before the others picked the side.

11. January 2007, 16:14:29
dameningen 
Subject: Re: Cheversi
Yay the dice chess was added which I asked over a year ago.
nabla: It can be made like that one player makes 1,2 or 3 first moves and then the other one picks the side.

11. January 2007, 15:46:53
nabla 
Subject: Cheversi
Instead of making tries or educated guesses in order to make the game more balanced, why not using the "pie rule" ? It has the great advantage of getting rid of the burden of finding the fair opening conditions and passing this burden to the players.
Here is how it works (in the case of a game with an advantage to Black) : Player A (White) plays his first move, Player B (Black) plays his first move, and then Player A has the right to choose between playing on normally or reversing the colours. In the latter case, Player B takes White, starting from the same position.
The effect is that Black has to find the first move that doesn't give too much of an advantage to either player. The slightly annoying side effect is that White will try to find a first move after which all responses lead to an unbalanced position.

11. January 2007, 15:13:16
mangue 
yes,I think 1/2 too.

11. January 2007, 15:03:06
Pafl 
Subject: Re: dice chess
mangue: Should be 1/2 ... from my experience. Actually, I think the dice are programmed just like the backgammon ones (1/6), they are only re-rolled when a given move is impossible (that said, I hope that in a stalemate position the dice do not "freeze" rolling on and on and on .... :-)

11. January 2007, 14:24:49
danheg 
Subject: Re:
mangue: thanks

11. January 2007, 14:22:15
mangue 
you never get an impossible dice

11. January 2007, 14:15:16
danheg 
Subject: Re: dice chess
mangue: if you roll a 2 and have no knights, do you lose a turn?

11. January 2007, 14:09:28
mangue 
Subject: dice chess
what is the probability to start with a Pawn ?
1/2 (only two types of pieces are movable)
or
8/10 (ten out of the twelve movable pieces are pawn)

Thanks for answer

11. January 2007, 09:26:05
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Dice Chess
joshi tm: I like it at the bottom.

11. January 2007, 08:00:06
joshi tm 
Subject: Dice Chess
Can the dice be put on the top of the page?

10. January 2007, 15:54:56
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Cheversi Turns
Walter Montego: The plan is already to make white first use King, and black use Queen. I've played it that was a few times as a "test", and found that white no longer gets blown out of the water. I was still able to win as black during those test, but that did not take into consideration the other changes to the game about what space scores what - so it should be a lot closer doing that.

The connect6 type of moving - that is also a interesting idea. Just looking at it, without making black use his queen early - I would still say Black would have an advantage because on their next to last move, a rook & queen places could attack a lot of the board that white would not be able to block with just one piece..... but I would have to play it to know for sure.

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