That's something to howl at!! :) I really like his fast starts. Those are my favs. Thanks BBW.

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You can click on "My Tournament", and choose all... and that will list all the main tournaments.

LOL.. do you keep that info written down BBW? its an impressive record!

813 tournaments currently finnished/running/waiting signups on the main tournament boards & my Battleboat & Backgammon fellowships.

This does not include a couple of "test" tournaments created that were not really played out, and that does not include MANY tournament that were created and then wiped out when BK crashed and we went back a few months.

.... since you asked. :-)

You won't go wrong with BBW guiding you, UNIV. EYES. He's the master of the Tournament around here! I wouldn't like to guess how many he's created.

Yes, bring up the tournament.

then click the link that says "Back to the list of game types"

You will then see the "Close" option to close the tournament. And then you will see the "Start" option to start the tournament.

Let me know if you need more help!

CCan any one let me know how to start Tournaments at our WHAM BAM fellowship?

Your right bumble,LJ deleted me three times from the tourney adn my Father and my Brother and Chatty.Hope Chatty gets back on soon i like playing her.would you like a Game bumble

if that is directed at me, Im sorry :( but will swear that no part of that post or any other of mine on here is a copy paste from any other board.

I stand scolded Bumble and as long as -------- keeps off my back....
the name will be like 2 four letter words and i wont use it again :)

This is TOURNAMENTS. If you have a personal issue with anyone take it elsewhere.
Also, copying and pasting from one part of BK to another contravenes the BK rules.

We all know what happened concerning the said tournament(s). Let's put the topic to bed.

If you have any constructive criticism concerning the avoidance of a repeat performance, feel free to post BUT posts containing personal attacks will be deleted.

Well obviously reading between the posts many posts have been deleted...as usual...he does it all the time...that isnt anything new:) Im pleased to see that the world has awoken to the the LJ phenomenon...now I probably wont be told """Which one, children?""" or some such remark when I post something about LJ, cause now all of us are doing it.....How times change, and "how the worm turns"

I queried a tournament of his long before all this hit the fan only to be abused (by LJ)and cried down by some of the people who are now jumping up and down...

bad luck I say :)...learn to live with it and pick your tournaments....LindaJ's seems to be the real go and it is backed by those that count at BrainKing...Fencer and His Staff :)

I agree with BBW...the ability to remove your own post should be removed..it makes nonsense of real peoples conversations.

and yes "why discuss something if you dont want your view known"

... and the ability of people removing their own post should also be changed - why discuss something if you don't want your view known?

Privacy - I still think there are big privacy issues with this site, but I know that few others feel the same way I do, so I will live with it. I don't know if I'll renew my membership because of it when it comes time, but I've had my say about the issue so there is little reason for me to talk about that issue anymore.

huh? - what 180 degree change?

You brought up how some people are able to "hold up tournament" - I defend that because it is "within the rules", but at the same time I suggest other possible time systems here - possible having one like DailyGammon has.

Why I don't defend what you have done (even though it is in the rules) is because you are purposly trying to mess people up and cause trouble. (Where most (NOT ALL) of the people who hold up tournaments usually have a reason - which is not just to mess others up). But at the same time, I have made suggestions on rule changes that should also be made to the tournament so things like you have done does not happen again.

one thing for a tournament, and then just before starting it, change everything. Just because it is allowed under the "rules" doesn't mean it meets the spirit of the rules. The rules were never intended to allow for this sort of abuse. People are upset. Tournaments are for the players, not the person who starts the tournament. If someone advertises "fast start..first five....3 day limit" and then changes it to first 10 and a 30 day limit without letting the players know, it's simply wrong. It's a bit arrogant, IMO, to decieve people and then cite the "rules" as a defence for the misleading falsehood.

... which is why it is good to discuss it here - to hopefully get the rules changed so they are not exploited by certain players.

that Fencer can change it back to its advertised time control?

I'm not sure that it should be deleted, but possible a way for users to get our of them without getting counted as loses.

Why
1) Pawns & Knights have limits on the # of tournaments, and they would not have joined such a big tournament if it was not a prize tournament.

2) Many only sign up for tournaments with shorter turn limit. In this case, the tournament was changed to 30 days between moves, which could make the tournament even longer.

I'm not asking that anything be deleted. I join tourneys all the time but I am careful not to join the ones that the name of it is obviously someone causing trouble. Those I do not join because I don't want to be involved in the childishness or bothered with whatever argument is going on at the time. I'm really asking that something be done about the name of the tourney being changed once it has started. I don't care to be caught up in the childishness! Something is very wrong that a tourney name can be changed like this one has been. I would have never joined it if I had known what was going on and I am sure there are many other players that are feeling the same way right now.

Why should any tournament be deleted? All *-* tournaments are free and the "ex-2 year rook prize" has 64 players! There are many free tournaments with no prizes and they have only 5 players, so why delete such a big tourney?

Actually about 10+ different tournament were renamed with the "." name.

The one that has most people upset is the one that was a Prize tournament which "Would not start until 200 people signed up" - but that description was removed, and then the days per turn was moved to 30 days per move, and started before many knew anything changed.

The other tournaments being renamed is just a user causing trouble, and I don't think any of those need to be deleted (maybe just renamed to something "unique" by the admin's of the site)

I have been playing in the tourney that has been renamed "-". I wondered at the time why it had changed..now I know. BUT I only have one game left of this "-" tourney so I hope it won't be deleted because it will soon be over. At this point I would hate to have all of the games...wins and losses deleted! BUT I just looked thru all of my games to see how many I had left of the "-" tourney and found that I am now playing a tourney that has been renamed What a Shame. Where did that come from?????? I would have never joined it if it was named that! To me this is really NOT right to change a tourney name once members have joined. I play here for FUN...some people have for sure forgotten why they play or their fun must be only for causing trouble for other people..which is very sad! I have NO desire to be caught up in silly childishness when I join a tourney!!!! I come here to play and relax! This is ridiculous! Now I am in another tourney that I had NO idea was going to turn into a personal tourney that the creator has renamed for his own reasons????In the mean time Fencer can something please be done about this happenning in the future?!?!?!?!?! And if you want to delete What a Shame please do! And no I won't resign and loose my rating...but in the future I will be very careful that the person that has set the tourney up can be trusted to be an honest person and won't change anything once people have joined and it has started!

Thanks Walter I'm tickled you'll be rejoining the fun. I'm very excited about the BK fund raiser and have been from day one. I can't wait for it to get kicked off. Fencer has been very much involved as has Harley and I thank them both.
He has also been extremely generous with the prizes he has added in.
SO, if anyone doesn't want to miss out, you have until March 29th to sign up and pay the $5 donation. This is going to be a blast with prizes awarded for every section, it should keep it quite interesting and all eyes glued to it to see the winners. Again thanks to everyone that joined and the best of luck to each of you. ;•)
If you haven't joined and would like to get in on the fun, you can do so HERE A special thank you to those that aren't playing and made a donation too.

Just my luck to join the site as a paying member earlier in the month and then get trapped into this when it was just coming to a head.
Oh well. Hey, so far it's been unanimous for your tournament LindaJ. Perhaps I was too hasty in my assumption of how it goes here. When I was a nonpaying member, none of this affected me as the rules wouldn't let me join more than one tournament regardless of how many games I had going. So I didn't need to be all the interested or involved in the running of tournaments. Now that I'm able to create my own and want to attract players to join them, it's a whole different ballgame.
So of course as luck would have it, the first tournament I join after becoming a paying member is the "-", though it had a different name when I signed up for it. There's a name for drawing the wrong conclusions from too little of evidence. Ah, yes, I jumped to a conclusion. :(
Welper, I think I won't wait any more and will rejoin LinaJ's tournament shortly. Everyone has vouched for it so far, I am beginning to see the tournament that I was hoodwinked into joining was an anomaly and the exception to the rule.
Bernice, I have yet to see anyone take LongJohn's side in this, but then the post is only a few hours old. Which was the reason I was going to wait a few days in the first place. Most of the recent postings to this board have been by people that have had some communication here and amongst yourselves for awhile. All of my postings were in a different area over a year ago. Perhaps we should kick it for a few and see what else is said, eh? Thank you for your support. And hey, damned if you, damned if don't isn't a good place to find one's self in.

I will probably get pounced on by LongJohn for this, but I have had my doubts of this person now for 2 months and have OPENLY said so on this board and one other board only to be cried down and told to take my complaints elsewhere.
Maybe I am too quick to judge or maybe others are more trusting than I am, but LongJohn appeared to me to be artificial shortly after he introduced himself to me and requested to join my fellowship.

I understand just how you feel and actually wrote to a couple people on here with misgivings about his tournaments and the fact that he had changed the rules:( I said I was reluctant to post on THIS board the fact that this had happened, because of the abuse i would have to endure from LongJohn. I was told to just let it go as people would find out in good time....obviously too late now...

I would apologise to you and others that I didnt post on here about the change of rules and the fact the prize would not be on offer....IM SORRY
it was a case of "Im *edit* if I do and Im *edit* if I don't"

*edited by moderator

PS I am such a bad guy apparently, so maybe its a good idea to get rid of people like me from a site like this. Who are just detrimental to the site.

LOL You are not forking out to be in mine I am, I would fork out again to be in yours. I will be paying 10 times the amount when my paypal account is sorted out (yep got a silly prob with it :o( )and then the two prize tournies that I also have on the go at the same time on top. So already gonna put in best part of 100 dollars of my money.
Sorry Linda :o)

Sorry you did Walter. I'll pm you before the start date to check.
Steve I joined yours, join mine. ;•)

Walter, the Linda J tourny is in a completely different league to the other one you are on about. I dont think you will be dissapointed by rejoining :o)

I have already dropped out of your tournament LindaJ. I suppose I might rejoin it. Let me see what happens first. I have until March 29th, right?
A day or two, maybe three should see what happens. Stirring things in this manner makes for unpredictable results. Though it did get a few things off my chest, it might come back to haunt me later. I feel I'm right in this and have said my peace. Looks like there's two more of us who agree with me on this. I'm feeling better about it now.

Walter please do not pull out of the fund raiser tournament. I can assure you nothing in it has changed and all prizes will be rewarded.

I would be highly upset with 14 losses due to someone else also. They are going to be some more very upset people when they realize the tournament they entered by LJ is no longer a prize tournament.
In all fairness I think the tournaments he created as prize tourneys need to be deleted. Maybe Fencer can do something about the 14 losses.

You are not the only one Walter who is not happy about what he has done. It causes concern for many of us. The newest version of BK which Fencer is working on will prevent these types of things from happening ever again as he is implementing code in to the new version so that tourneys set cannot be changed with out an administrators ok first. The members and pawns who are now suffering from this guys deception must be quite upset. I would be too had I entered in to his contest. I had suspicions about it before it started and they were confirmed. His excuse that too many people were whining about how legitamate it was caused him to delete it. If he wanted to prove he was legitamate he would have kept it up. Going through this board I see every post he made has been removed by him I would suspect.
Suffice it to say any tourney he is to set up again will be moderated fully and all players made aware to ensure this doesnt happen again

I did as I was told and now I have 14 backgammon losses. You know this really sucks. If it's that much trouble to remove me I think I'm going to quit this site again.
Don't give me that rating stuff. I didn't play the games. I didn't want in the tournament after it was changed without my being told or asked about it or given a chance to drop out of it. And now I have 14 losses without ever playing a game.
If that tournament is for real, then I guess I'm just another sucker who got caught in the fine print and minutiae of the legalese. So I'm saddled with 14 losses. OK, I think I will not ever play backgammon on this site and will drop out of the donation tournament before I'm stuck there too. Keep the five bucks. It was, after all, a donation.
As for naming names in these posts, I don't have problem with it. If someone I think needs my praise, I send it. And if I think someone needs ridicule or critism or both, I can't see why not to mention them. I can certainly send private messages too. I'll do what seems appropriate from my viewpoint.

And let me be clear about this, you are a chump LongJohn. If you're going to have a tournament under one set of rules and I join, fine.
But if you arbitrarily decide to change the rules without giving me a chance to accept it knowing full well that I might want out and can't do anything about it, you're a chump. To make such major changes without telling anyone is poor sportsmanship. Why couldn't you send a notice to all the current signed players that you've had a change or you couldn't afford the prize? Why couldn't you just delete the tournament and start a new one? Why did you start the tournament so fast after making those changes?
From what I read of the earlier posts it appears I should've paid a little more attention to the people that were questioning and critizing you and your motives.

Since I can't hold my breath for that long of a time and taking my ball home and not playing isn't much fun, I'll just go sulk in the corner and hope for the best.
A few questions for the rest. Am I and one other person the only ones that feel this way about this sorry situation? Or are you all OK with how this went down? Or will it just go away because it is just numbers on a screen and they don't mean nothing to nobody anyhow and in a few months it'll all be forgotten though not forgiven?

That said, may I also say that I think his tournament should be abolished and none of the games count. Or poll all the players that are currently in it and see which ones want to remain in a new one and then restart it.

SORRY IMupChucKing I WAS WRONG. In thinking that u was talk about me again. And so u and others know it's not only that tourney, it's all my games. That I have been tring to move fast on..

Sorry mrioupcity... I have not been talking about you in this discussion..... I had a problem with a couple of other users, long before the backgammon prize tournament started. I never knew if you were this type of player or not...thats why gave you the benefit of the doubt, and pointed it out to you in a PM, and since then you have made an honest effort to play this particular tournament, and it has been appreciated....

Again, I am sorry if you thought I was pointing you out... And to anybody else out there who thought I was using you in my example, I was not, and want everyone to know that you have made an effort, and do not purposly slow play to keep others from enjoying their play here :)

IMupChucKing
I just don't get it. I told u i was just tring to make a point. And I think I did it. As to me waiting tell last min's to do my move I have not been doing it. Oh and I'm sorry that I have found a life away from the puter. I thought this was a take your turn site but, guess I was wrong.

Agreed - I like that idea too.

Now that is a good idea - "Any proposed change in the starting date or playing times [or description] should immediately have a notice sent out to all signed up people" Then possible have a 24 hour wait before the tournament can be started so they can be given a change to stay or leave the tournament.

(NOTE: I think Fencer has going to work on a smarter tournament in BK2.0 where it will let pawn out once they are eliminated... I'm not 100% sure, but for some reason I was thinking that)

Creator will be allowed to edit a tournament but no changes will be applied until they are approved by an administrator.

I disagree with ImupChucKing. Just because the rules are the way they are now is no reason not to complain or to advocate changing them. Especially when certain people manipulate them in a way that's only fun for themselves and hurts other participants.
I feel that I was tricked into joining the "-" tournament and have been used for someone else's pleasure without anything in it for me or my permission. Since the rules won't allow Pawns to enter more than one tournament, they're screwed by these kind of actions.
The solutions are simple. Just give participants more say in what's happening and don't force them to stay in a tournament that they've been eliminated from. Any proposed change in the starting date or playing times of a tournament should immediately have a notice sent out to all signed up people that it's happening and they should be given a chance to stay or leave.
And like I said earlier, let the games one is playing count towards his limit, not the fact that some of them are tournament games or not.

You say the creator can do whatever (s)he wants with her/his tourney. You know, I was so pissed off when I learnt what the a*sho*e LondDick did with the Reversi tourney...I would never sign in a tourney like this "." sh*t. The creator shouldn't be allowed to edit a tourney.

Well apparently I have some control or say if Fencer now see's that some more/different rules needs to be in place. (How will Fencer know what needs changed/added without people letting him know?)

But I am sorry LJ - that was unlike me to actually name a person, where my post should have been about the rules that needed changed without mentioning yours (or anyones) name, so I appoligize for that.

Maybe help isnt wanted from certain players.


Good Its one of a few things that need changing about the tournys setup Fencer

agreed Fencer :)

;))

It seems that the rules need to be changed.

Well...I too am concerned that a new player wqill come to this site,and join a four day tournament, and then find out, because of one idiot, who purposly plays all his turns at the last possible minute, the tournament takes over a year to complete. I am concerned that this new person will get a bad impression too, and will not become a paying member...All because of one person who ruins it for everybody....

But, hey, thats their right, and if it is fun for them to play in a way that holds up 95 % of the other players, then, oh well, too bad so sad....its their right, and and the rest of us can just choose to not play with them, and if it happens to be someone new, who does not know, well then they will learn the hard way, just like everyone else.

I agree with you, that is not a good way to make an impression, and gain more paying members, but thats what the powers to be want, and thats the way it will be until the powers that be decide that whats god for the majority is more important than the enjoyment of a few individuals....

I do beg your pardon Steve, I'll not try to help next time :o)

Well I know that I will not enter any of his tournaments, and I'm sure that the people burnt by him this time and others reading this board will do the same.

What I'm worried about are the new users - the ones who are new to this site, not reading these message boards but entering a cool prize tournament. Then without any notice, it's gone.

I do not think this is the image that this site and us fellow gamers want to be sent to these new users - these new users who if they find things they like on this site, might then in turn support this site with $$ by buying a membership. These are the people that I'm worried about - these are the people that I want to see the best that this site has to offer.

Fencer said that a tournament creator can do whatever they want with tournaments....That covers all your questions, with one answer.

I'm certain that leaving it alone, will have a much better effect, than continuing to fight it. Don't play in his tournaments, I'm sure most will follow suit, and no one will have to worry about what he does anymore. He can play in his own tournaments by himself, and change the rules all day long.

ummm Harley, read what I put, I know its a final duh.

Rather than me having to look through all my many running tournys, someone has a pm telling them it needs doing