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27. February 2009, 15:04:55

Nothingness

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Subject: espionage

Modified by Nothingness (27. February 2009, 15:05:39)

Espionage is a far more complex game than 99% of the games on here. Many more variables then even chess. This makes finding new players very difficult b/c it alienates many people who are unwilling to learn such a vastly complicated game. when you can just roll a few dice or finish a game of checkers in a few turns. Many Elite level Espionage/Sabotage games have been know to last well over the 200-300 move plateau far more than most chess games will ever last. The game was a top 3 game on IYT. this is a much different following than on IYT and it will take some work here on BK until it gets to the level that it was on IYT. We just have to stay vigilant.

27. February 2009, 15:23:57

AbigailII

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Subject: Re: espionage

Nothingness: Game length in itself doesn't mean much. Many Anti-Backgammon games last over 200 or even 300 moves as well, yet there have been more Anti-Backgammon games than all the Espionage variant games combined.

I've only played a few Espionage games (not even enough to own any BKR). The main reason I don't play it is the BK is a turn based website, where games can easily take months or years to finish. This is fine if the board reveals all information needed to play the game - that is, history isn't important. This is not the case with any of Espionage variants, which makes me not to want to play it.

27. February 2009, 19:53:45

Thad

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Subject: Re: espionage

AbigailII: I agree that to play at a high level requires improvements to the BK interface. I'm sure that keeps many players from playing (or playing more games) here. I know that limits my playing. I end up playing other games more.

One suggestion is to cater to the beginners. Make some tournaments for them. Offer to hlep them become better players and make them feel part of the community. A few of them will get hooked and become good players.

28. February 2009, 12:34:09

Chaos

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Subject: Re: espionage

AbigailII: You can find the game history on the right side of the board, so you can always look back. In espionage good players make notes for themselves so they know which pieces have been identified by the opponent. This is possible here at BK as well. The game doesn't have to last long if you play frequently, do try small fast espionage! I hope we'll get you into an espionage enthousiast! :)

I find it hard to find the tournaments with good espionage opponents. But also I must admit that my playing level isn't that good anymore, b/c I tend to paly to fast and make too few notes, or forget to make them, so I make fatal errors.

1. March 2009, 01:45:49

AbigailII

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Subject: Re: espionage

Chaos: Oh, I know I could look in the move history, make notes and such. But that is too much work for me. BK could also decide to not show chess boards anymore, afterall "there's the move history". I'll stop playing chess here if the board will disappear.

There are many, many other games (here and at other sites) to be played that don't involve the work that Espionage requires. So Espionage loses, and I don't play it here.