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3. August 2009, 12:51:12
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
Chaos: Yes :)
I must say that I am not too put out by all this, as Jim says below it is only a game!

But it is slighlty frustrating, and I am sure for many others (not just in espionage), when you have worked hard to climb up the ratings to have someone (not their fault) leap frog to the top.

The BKR ratings are important. Having a tight BKR range at the top promotes competiveness and moral. However, where someone has leapt in with an extremely high BKR rating, causes abuse (defend rating by only playing low rank players) and creates less competiveness and frustration amongst others.

Sometimes that new rating is unassailable (a 500 point difference) , and I can't really blame someone from defending that position that they were luckily awarded (by playing only weak players).

I believe that anyone near the top of the ratings should have earned it over many games.

As Lukulus says the rating will drop rapidly if some losses are incurred. However, this is only true if those losses occur soon after the initial provisional BKR has been awarded. After about 10 games, the BKR delta is much less sensitive.

3. August 2009, 13:06:24
Chaos 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
SL-Mark: That's exactly the reaon for provisional and established BKR, you should only look at established BKR. What is also important is that if somsone stops playing they disappear from the chart after a while. So they have to continue playing.

3. August 2009, 13:48:52
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
Chaos: That's all fair enough given we have established BKRs. I understand how all this works.

But is it not frustrating for those working hard on their provisional BKR to proceed up the rankings only to see someone leap frog to the top?

There are many instances where players are on a provisional BKR, have a dozen plus wins (some against very strong players), no losses and sitting on a BKR of say 1800. Then pop, someone goes right to the top on 4 wins. BKR is also important to these players!

3. August 2009, 15:39:47
lukulus 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
SL-Mark: I think to obtain rating 2500 you have to defeat player 2100 in your first game. And it is not so easy. Formula adds 400 pts to opponents rating if you win. If you win later, your rating will be smaller. In case of huge differencies you earn nothing from your following victories.

Yes it is frustrating, but if player with such huge rating isnt good he disappers or loose some games in future. If he is good, he wont hide and will defend his position.

3. August 2009, 16:40:04
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
lukulus: All understood.
But isn't it flawed that if you beat the strong player in your first 4 games you get a huge BKR rating, but if you beat them in your 5th game you only go from 1700 to 1800 say?

3. August 2009, 17:38:25
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
lukulus: A further thought. Why would the rating system add 400 points to the opponents rating if the opponent has a BKR of 2100? It does not do that for beating lower rated players. Furthermore, everyone supposedly starts with a rating of 1300. That makes it a 1200 point increase!

3. August 2009, 18:00:42
lukulus 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
SL-Mark: I see your point. Its matter of luck:) From this reason there are these new ratings provisional. I am not familiar with USCF ratings, because Czech chess federation is using ELO system (same as FIDE). But also in this system it is similiar - with difference your rating is provisional until you finished 9 (or more -it depends on how many games you play during period in which is rating calculated) games and from these games is you rating counted. It is better to defeat higher rated players in the very begining your career. But it is not good for internet ratings where change must be visible after finishing every game, not after some period.

Rating 1300 is used when two players without any finished game meet each other. If you finish first game, you still see non rated, but system is using your new rating.

3. August 2009, 19:50:48
happy hermit 
Subject: Re: BKR Ratings
The system is reasonable. It simply requires a large number of game against random opponents to be optimally accurate.

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