are there any fellowship or team ratings or rankings ?

now there will be a lot more team tournaments/challenges it might be nice to view which team/fellowship ranks where in each game type :)

shagglbrox: The games will remain as they are, it won't affect them.

Fencer: The team I'm on is in a team tournament. The team I want to join will be doing a team match.

shagglbrox: Do you mean a normal tournament, a team tournament or a team match?

If I'm on a team for a fellowship involved in a tournament currently, and I want to leave the team to join the same game type team of another fellowship, what happens to any current games in my first fellowship's tourney?

There is a lot of discussion wanting to "do away with" auto-vacation, some component of the weekends and even possibly predetermined vacation days.

Firstly, I am pleased to hear Fencer will be revising at least some of these. One of my gripes is that auto-vacation days (and at times vacation days) are not actually vacations, they are just "non-time-out" days. A vavcation day, I beleive, should step EVERY game back 24 hours, not just delay the ones which were going to time out to not time out till the next day. All the present system does is give you twice as many games to catch up on the next day, hardly a vacation.

Secondly, I try not to use auto-vacation days but there are times when I simply cannot get on for some periods of time because I have work to do or like BBW am not near a computer which is quick enough to play many games - try playing Jarmo on dialup!. When these days occur I get online if I can and play a few games, but am not able to play them all, and yes i am selective about the games I play and don't alwyas make the decision on whether that particular game will time out - there are many deciding factors in which games I play, time left is only one. Play less games you say ... well I play the amount of games I am comfortable with for 95% of the time and rely on auto-vacation for the other times.

Thirdly, also as said before ... only play in the games you are comfortable with. I do not play any 1 or 2 day games. I do not play any fischer clock games. I do not play any fixed weekend games (except where I missed it when signing up). I have adapted to what suits my style of playing, I think you all need to do the same. Because I don't play particular styles of play I do not call for the whole site to change to suit me, so please do not reply in kind.

Elsewhere Fencer has (recently) stated that this site offers many options ... use them if you want, or not.

And lastly a poignant offering ... I notice that two of the protagonists for doing away with autovacation still have their own autovacation set to on .... is this a double standard or just and oversight?

furbster: I've been wondering about that ever since, lol. I wonder what the details of the change are..

Fencer How come you didn't announce the Knight tournament allocation change in News? Seems to me it's the removal of a major restriction. Surely all Knights would welcome hearing that?

Yeh i don't think Fencer has updated the paid membership bit where it says you can only joing one tourney of the same type. Only reason i had an inkling it had changed was that i saw some subtle remark on one of teh discussion boards a week or two ago. At least you know now

emmett: Not sure if this is correct, try signing up for a tourney where u already have one running in. Eg. try joining anotehr loop chess tourney

Marfitalu: I do understand what tenuki is talking about, and I meant no disrespect for his opinions. There have been times when I have noted players who seemed to be manipulating the time rules. I find this more amusing than frustrating. As anyone who watches professional sports of any kind must realize, once a rule is adopted there is always the potential for it to be followed in a way that does not comport with what one supposes the intention of the rule to be.

As a lawyer, I am willing to argue to a court that a law is being applied in a way that thwarts its intention. In the USA, courts are often sypathetic to such arguments; in other countries, I believe courts tend to apply the laws as they are written and leave it to the rulemakers to change them if their intention is not being carried out.

Also as a lawyer, I know that any written rule is subject to being abused. Changing from one rule to another does not eliminate the potential for abuse, it simply changes the nature of that potential. As a game player, I tend to take a relaxed attitude towards this. Let those who find amusement in applying rules in ways they were never intended to be applied, do so; I can avoid those players when I recognize them.

And of course, let those who find amusement in arguing about what the rules should be, do so also!

alanback: So, you think that, even when there is a known bug who is used by...let call them not-very-sportmen-players, Automatic Vacations should be still in use and not wait until it to be fixed? Play at the pace you want, no problem, but PLAY! I understand you won´t like to do as a player (we all know who he is) who doesn´t make a single move during one month in 1300 games...are you defending him? I´m not attacking YOU...:-)

tenuki: I think we should allow one weekend day instead of two.

tenuki: Perhaps you are mistken about the site you are on. This site is as it is, and what it is is defined by its rules. One of those rules is the automatic vacation.

Can someone explain to me why it is so important for moves to be made within a particular time frame? I thought games were played for relaxation!

As for me, I come to the site, I make whatever moves are available, and I get on with the rest of my life.

If making moves constantly is very important to you, then I believe you are certainly playing on the wrong site; you should go to a site where games are played in real time.

Moreover, and I think this has been pointed out before, it is possible to create and play games here in which vacation days are not allowed. Anyone who is concerned about the use of vacation days should avoid games and tournaments that allow them.

Dear friends: I think we´re missing the point here...I wasn´t talking about those who use Automatic Vacations when you need it, but to prevent all those (non-)players who use it ONLY to annoy opponents, win undeserved games due to their opponents boredom, disrupt stairs functioning, and many crimes more...I think there should be a rule against them! not against decent players. Is it ok to have 1300 games and take advantage of a known bug to not make a SINGLE MOVE during one month???? If all those who defend the automatic vacation think it´s ok, then I think they are in the wrong site, maybe a chat site instead of a PLAYING site would be better for them.

Bry:Agree as well as but you forgot about the no days off rule.

Bry: Well I would hate to see a rule in place where if I'm between the choices of (1) Login on and getting a little caught up or (2) don't log on at all and get further behind - I would hate to see a rule which forces option 2 of people.

having said that, if something was put into place, I have plenty of other sites I can visit during those times - but would hate to be forced to do that.

Czuch Chuckers: Totally agree. A vacation day should only "kick" in when you have not been online that day....

I apprecite BBW's point..... but if you cannot guarantee to be on every day.... u shouldn't enter 1 day tournaments.....

Stevie: I agree 100%! If you can find time to come on this site you should not have the luxury of auto vacation. Maybe in BBWs example, he could just set a vacation for that day. But this is first and foremest a game playing site, and he should make his first priority making moves in a game, not checking messages. It gets infuriating when people start more games than they can keep up with, and they will be here for hours and only play on the discussion boards and fellowships when hey have games ready to time out. But I guess people can use their vacation days anyway they choose to, and we do have the option of only playing in games that dont allow vacations, so we wont have to worry about people like that!

Or reduce moving weekend days one time per month .

BIG BAD WOLF: We should have vacation days. Maybe we should get rid of weekend days, or reduce the weekend days to one day instead. Or we could count weekend days that are actually used against timeouts as a vacation day used...

Stevie: I would hate to see a restriction of not being able to use vacation days if someone is on-line. I know for example when I go on vacation to my sister-in-law's house, all they have is a VERY slow dial up connection available from their house - in which I get board there and do get on-line, and try to come here to check messages and such - but would almost be impossible for me to keep up with my games, hence a vacation day. if a restriction like that is put into place, it would stop me from even being able to check in and at least stay caught up with my messages.

Stevie: And why do you think they take such a hard work if they wouldn´t know they have unsporting advantage? They can win games and even tournaments witout knowing the game at all, just making their opponents leave the site in boredom (specially newcomers -Pawns, who have limited spots for games-) and drop their games.

I still reckon if someone has been online during a certain day, then later in the same day,, they should not be saved by auto vacation.. that is really annoying

Fencer: Yes! And if you need some ideas, just count on us, we´re ready to help you making this one the best site on the net!!!

The vacation system needs to be rewritten a little anyway.

Walter Montego: Another good point, my friend. By the way, as emmet has reportedd there´s a bug somewhere as I have a player timing out 9 games a day everyday since a month ago, and he has still 19 vacation days left, unchanged for past 4 days...and you know...whenever unsporting players detecct a bug they will exploit it to gain more and more advantage (by the way that player has 1268 games running, how many stairs is he blocking?)

Walter Montego: One should have to decide to be on vacation or not. A day, during which one makes a move in any game, never could be a vacation day. I feel frustrated, when opponents are playing other games, while mine would be delayed by automatic vacation.

BIG BAD WOLF: Yes, I want to do it as you write.

tenuki: Also, I have some spots left if you'd like to get some side games going whlie waiting for the tournaments to start in April. :)

tenuki: J'yes, j'yes, a right mighty fine thing there, but just how in the hell will it be policed? Sure I've had a problem or two getting online, but I move lots more regularly than those that're holding up some tournaments I'm involved in. Yes, I know you're not complaining about me and when I make a move, but this is just an example. One thing to keep in mind about "Automatic Vacation" is the time of year. You know how people and human nature are. When there's a surplus, they figure they have plenty of days to move and don't worry about a day or two going off their list. Later in the year the games move or time out in ways the just don't happen in February. Just ask Pythagoras is you need conformation of this phenomenon. :) He's not necessarily been moving with alacrity of late, but he's not let weeks go by any more either. :)

SG1fan: I´m not talking about you or all the people who really needs them from time to time, due to an accident or the like...I´m talking about those who use it with the only porpouse to delay games, bore people, win undeserved games, sink the site, etc... Perhaps could it be given ONLY on THESE special cases like yours, REAL vacations, you-name-it, etc and making it ¨not-so-automatic vacations¨?

tenuki: There are also many tournament options which do not use vacations, so those might also be a good choice to avoid people who take advantage of them.

It has been suggested, and I was thinking Fencer liked the idea of possible having a limit of 5 automatic vacation days being taken in one span. (A person going on vacation can choose more then 5 days, but would only stop the auto-vacations from being used for more then 5 days).

playBunny: If superb wine is poisoned and kills, I would prefer water.

tenuki: Well, I am thankful to have the automatic vacation feature. My hard-drive died a bit over a month ago, and I had very limited access to internet, an hour every few days. So only had time to play games I would time out in.

Having automatic vacation meant that the majority of my games didn't time-out, and I am busy catching up again, now I have a hard-drive again.

I agree some abuse the system, but others like me, genuinely need/needed to use the automatic vacation. I love playing here, and worked hard to get my ratings. I would not like to lose what I have gained, if no automatic vacation time.

Jo

tenuki: You'd have to propose the replacement scheme first. Don't throw away the wine if you haven't got the champagne yet. And make sure it's not cheap champagne replacing superb wine. ;-)

tenuki: Yes. Deactivate automatic vacation.
I just submitted a bug report on this situation, but it is probably a vacation issue. In a tournament with a five day per move limit, weekends off, my opponent has not moved in 13 days. With the weekend here, I'm sure I won't see a move for at least another two. It's too bad, because this involves a tournament, and in this situation a tournament could last over a year.

tenuki: I use it, I don't abuse it, and I like it.

Hey friends! What do you think about automatic vacations? Don´t you feel too many players use them to receive unsporting advantage (cheating?), and in that way tournaments last eons, Stairs are stopped and too many players (specially newcomers) are disappointed with the site and leave, making as all to lose a potential opponent and friend? Don´t you all think it should be deactivated? At least until a less nocive feature could be deviced and implemented...

alanback: I agree, just wondering why you
don't appear taking that advice, on the backgammon
board for instance, which I use to watch because I am
interested in the game. Brainking is certainly a very
good bickering server, with moderators playing a major
role themselves. I wholeheartedly agree with Marfitalu,
told him in our games that I fear to get between the
bulldozers living out their importance here and decide
only in line with their favoritism.
What happened now that I dared, is not much better,
my question about playing here was simply buried. :-(

Thank you guys... hmmmmmm Too bad!

Radiant Aunt: Aye, that'll be because there's a limit of two per person.

Radiant Aunt: you cant . you are already the big boss of two fellowships ,thats the limit for members

How can I create a new Fellowship? When i go to the Fellowship page there is nothing that tells me i can create one...??

harley: But you all claim not to be gods so what would be the use?

emmett: Very good advice.

harley: go to the global mods ... you're joking aren't you!

Marfitalu: The moderators on general chat decided that a subject was too sensitive to be discussed there. It was upsetting for many people. Debate about how right or wrong that decision was, or how it was enforced, is certainly off topic here and likely to lead back to the original discussion which is sensitive on ANY board.

I still suggest that anyone wishing to continue with that discussion do so at the specially formed yahoo group and any complaints of moderator actions be dealt with in he correct way which is contacting a global mod.
Anyone just wanting to complain because their posts were deleted might find solace in a fellowship somwewhere. The 'gripes' board at the flame pit springs to mind.

If you have any objections to the way a mod acted, PM a global mod who will look at it. This really isn't the board to discuss it in depth.

blazeinshore, Lamby: I'm all in favour of censorship in this matter. I think it was in very poor taste bringing forward a half-baked set of allegations and circumstantial evidence.

My objection regarding the censorship is about the manner in which it was carried out.

I agree, the censorship is utterly disgraceful on Gen Chat, so much so that the Gen Chat board may aswell not exist.
The subject which was being discussed was very valid and everyone should be allowed an opinion on it.
I feel this site is becoming one huge joke!
I feel so sorry for Fencer with all his hard work, he's made this a great place, but unfortunately too many idiots have spoilt it for alot of people!