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    25. June 2009, 17:20:52
    bobwhoosta 
    Here's a situation where this applies, but in a different way...

    You have A J, both diamonds. Your opponent has Q Q. The pot is 150 to start (50/ 100 blinds), your opponent is in First Position pre-flop, and raises to 500. Since it is a full table, and the raise is from first position, when it comes around to you in the big blind (everyone folds, including the small blinds), you just call. The pot is now 1050

    The flop comes Q 5 2, two diamonds. You check, and your opponent bets 300. Do you call?

    The answer is yes. The odds against catching your flush are around 4 to 1 ( a little more), but your opponent is now offering you the shot at a pot of 1350 for 300, which is MORE than 4 to 1 pot odds. Now, sometimes the opponent will catch four of a kind, or a full house, but mostly when you catch your flush you will take the pot, and will win at least one more bet. So, it is an easy call.

    This brings in the concept of hand protection. If you have top pair after the flop, and there are three players in the hand, it is likely you have the best hand, but if you check, people will draw out on you. Three hands drawing is two hands too many!!! So, you must bet a significant percentage of the pot (more than 3/4 of the current pot) in order to drive out the other players. In this case, perhaps an overbet of the pot is warranted, for instanct, if the pot is 1000, bet 1200-1400!! The idea is to deny the odds to the players involved.

    You want to have a caller, but if you can take the hand down now, you've won a pot you could've lost later. Good players take advantage of that.

    And if all three players call you, and one catches a straight, and the other one a flush??? Well, that's poker. You did your job, denying the proper odds, and they caught some luck. Cest la vie.

    On a side note, the bigger the advantage, and less volatile the board, the less you can bet. For instance, a pot of 1200, and you have QQ, flop comes Q 7 2, with all three suits different. Check, or bet a small amount. You absolutely WANT callers here, because THEY DON"T HAVE THE ODDS ANYWAY.

    Hope this helps,

    -Zak

    26. June 2009, 06:21:18
    joshi tm 
    Subject: Re:
    bobwhoosta: But how do you know that your opponent has QQ assuming he is not that stupid to tell you?

    26. June 2009, 15:20:55
    Czuch 
    Subject: Re:
    joshi tm: You are correct, you never do know exactly what your opponent has in their hand.

    It could be a well timed bluff, and every so often, you will rightly fold to a worse hand than your own.

    But again, over time, a first position raise (on a full table especially) is NOT going to be a pure bluff.

    ...also, good poker players have learned to always mix up their play style or strategy, so good instincts and the ability to read tells becomes very important as well (some people prefer online play just because tells dont become a factor)

    26. June 2009, 07:00:37
    Universal Eyes 
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    bobwhoosta: The 50/100 table here has 10 people even if it wasn't full 150 to start would mean 3 people playing for the pot and a 500 raise takes it to 650 plus yours brings it to 1150 not 1050.

    26. June 2009, 10:21:05
    toedder 
    Subject: Re:
    Universal Eyes: No, he's in the BB in his example, everything is correct

    /nit

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