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8. August 2010, 21:29:46
Bwild 
unemployment is higher now with yomama, than with bush.....guess the stimulus bill was only meant to help the banks who are foreclosing on loans at record rates.

8. August 2010, 21:49:22
Papa Zoom 
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Bwild: The stimulus has failed to deliver. And you won't find any Democrats that want to meet their constituents and defend the spending. They are all in hiding. Obama is clueless as a President. He keeps slipping in the polls. More and more liberals are talking about buyers remorse. He's lost almost all independent support. And the dems here have their heads in the sand (or somewhere else).

9. August 2010, 14:07:48
Mort 
Subject: Re: unemployment is higher now with yomama, than with bush.....guess the stimulus bill was only meant to help the banks who are foreclosing on loans at record rates.
Bwild: I think under the neo-cons it'd be worse.. they'd let the car industry go under for a start. And you don't suddenly pull out of a major economic collapse in an instant. It (as anyone who's studied to any degree of economic history) takes time.

Unemployment has gone up in ALL of the western world. Just because it's happening in the USA does not make you guys special and immune to the current global economic crises.

9. August 2010, 20:47:58
Bwild 
Subject: Re: unemployment is higher now with yomama, than with bush.....guess the stimulus bill was only meant to help the banks who are foreclosing on loans at record rates.
(V):the green party would do away with lobbiest...the auto industry's bail out was a farse(as anyone watching the hearings could see,ie:chief executives arriving in plush private jets) without a hand-out...they would all have figured something out. henry ford started in his barn.
how much money in contributions did the big 3 send to the yomama camp? could the democrats ever win without the support of the unions?

10. August 2010, 14:58:42
Mort 
Subject: Re: henry ford started in his barn.
Bwild: Yes he did as did many now recognised big names (or in a single store)... but the tech and resources needed to set up a modern car plant is more than a few bucks. As for the exec's... standard. I still remember the CEO of one company I worked for and the extras the company was paying for.. nice life is all I say.. plush car, plane. Yet the company was living on loans which when we had the 80's crash caused severe financial difficulties.

Without a handout.. the unemployment levels through direct and indirect redundancies would have gone up by how much?

As for donations.. no campaign can afford to run without donations, especially in the USA as much of the campaigning I hear is TV based. Here in the UK that is not allowed. We have a system where parties can make a limited number of election broadcasts.

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