ClayNashvilleTn: It's not breaking any BK rules, the only time it even comes close to it is when people take stuff from there and bring it onto the public boards. None of the members there do that.

In reply to your question: "is it not possible for Mgmt to at least require a rule that no one is to make up false and erroneous information without them being a part of the f/s?"

This would be very difficult to do. If actual names weren't used, people would get around that by nick-names or descriptions.
The person being talked about would have to find out about any information posted about them in a fellowship - and then who can tell if something is false or not? Its a very difficult request to honour, even if these rules were in place.

Walter Montego: He was and he left. Like I said before, anyone can join, just ask

Before you start a witch hunt on yet another DB, can I point out that 1) Anyone is free to join there and 2) you seem to be the only one that has a problem.

ClayNashvilleTn: Are you a member of that fellowship?

I would like to have an open discussion about the merits of the Flame Pit.

I know it's taboo to even mention rules enforced by Mgmt upon a f/s, but I believe the future of BK is being Jeopardized.

When a group of people are given and encouraged to have free run and anything goes including the bashing of Fencer, Globs and Mods and attacking innocent members behind their backs with lies and false and made up information something is badly wrong.


In this severe case of gross misconduct is it not possible for Mgmt to at least require a rule that no one is to make up false and erroneous information without them being a part of the f/s?

shagglbrox: yup, all current games & tournaments - Plus any "next rounds" in tournaments will all start and continue.

Like Bry said, no new games.

PLUS - NO MORE POND MOVES - so if you are in a pond, you will not be able to make any moves.

shagglbrox: you will continue your existing games, but be subjected to the pawn limits - i.e. wont be able to start any more games until less than 20. (I understand)

shagglbrox: I think you will be able to finish them :-)

what happens to your running tournament games if you have a paying membership, then it expires?

ok, then i didnt understand that.. thanks for clarifying!

Antje: You don't get 18 hours for each move.

You start with a TOTAL TIME "pool" of 18 hours.

Take an example with NO BONUS

You start with 18 hours to make your first move - you take 8 hours.

The game comes back to you, you now have a "pool" of 10 hours to make your next move. Lets say you take 5 hours to make this move.

The game will then come back to you with only 5 hours to make your next move.

ok, so if i went to bed and game back 12 hours later and the time is an 18 hour limit, i shouldnt have timed out. i was gone 12 hours and the minimum is 18, why did i time out? i understand the added bonus, but this is a negative, i lost 6 hours.

Antje: Looks like the games were with the new Fischer's clock

Time: 18 hours, Bonus: 6 hours, Limit: 30 days

So it means you started with a time pool of 18 hours. Lets say for example you wait until 1 hour is left in your time pool.

When the move is sent back to you, your time pool of 1 hour gets an additional 6 hours (BONUS) - bringing your new time pool for the game to 7 hours.

i think something is wrong with the time out feature. ive timed out on 3 games (or 4) in the last 2 days, and i never leave less than 1 day of time. i went to bed at 11pm est and my game with the least amount of time was 1 day 8 hrs. i come here exactly 12 hours later and i find messages for 3 time outs, and the game time is 18 hours. can someone help me explain? is there something i dont know about the fischer time controls?

Jules: ok thanks .. i will ask him to :)

Hrqls: The big boss has to remove you.. I think.

how can i stop being a mod in a fellowship ?
i am a mod in one fellowship at this moment, but i want to be just a normal member

if thats not possible, then i will just leave the fellowship

ClayNashvilleTn:I would suggest in this case the use of a name that has to be measured in feet. ;)

Purple: lol

ClayNashvilleTn: Clean Flame.

ArtfulDodger:I know that. I will consider thos objections of copy cat. That is a reasonable point. I will be open to suggestions to and for a new name?

ClayNashvilleTn: The Cave II WAS a joke and in that sense it WAS a true copycat of the original. ;)

ArtfulDodger: hmmmmmmm you must get up off that pocket book and come up with the membership fee to get to know.

Tuesday: what does it say? ;)

Who's frightened, where?

We now have a great deal of nervousness in one of the originals. Rightly so. LOL.

censoring newbies would not be very sociable.and I doubt it would discourage a troublemaker.

playBunny: It has been my ezperince that as far as online board go:
hidden posts & complicated post rules only complicate the system unneccesarily,and dont resolve the problem.
the best systems seem to work when:
1-all posts are visible..so all can see..its removes the subversive element.
( if you have something to say,you should be able to say it to all)
2-there are many boards re many subjects..but one general board which is truly general in scope.
3-boards are moderated fairly but often.
4-under aged people are not allowed on adult content boards.
5-the greatest deterrant to troublemakers is a stricy non tolerant policy.
usually a temp bann for 1st offense,2nd ban can be for a year.
( but you must make sure you have properly ID'd a problem child)
without a lot of rant..anyone got any to-the-point ideas to add?

ClayNashvilleTn: I can relate to that clay.I avoid all of this ranting behavior.but I had someone accuse me( a while ago) of being a newbie(I have been here for a long time) name that was really someone else.(who I had never heard of)

playBunny: Thank you alot. Now it is clear :-))

Spirou: C'est l'Accord d'Utilisateur - il y a un lien au même fond de chaque page. French AU

It's the User Agreement - there's a link at the very bottom of each page. English UA

Pedro Martínez: ??? Thank you to try to help me but it is equally obscure :-P

Spirou: Gebruikersovereenkomst

Wonder what may be UA.

bwildman: Yes I believe that it does. You can numerous incidences of it almost daily. It depends on who you are, who you know, and if the board on which it's posted is Moderated by a friend.

bwildman: 1) I wouldn't have reposted those messages here myself, but George (ChessM1000) wanted to protest the fact that he received them as spam. (I did, in fact, send him a message recommending that he delete that post as it gives extra exposure to the Danofool but in the meantime Fencer responded and it became a moot point.)

2) Do you think the UA should protect people who have been banned?

As an aside, I think the use of the word "guidelines" in the User Agreement weakens it. Users must ".. agree to the following guidelines:". That tells me that judgement is required and that not following a guideline is an option. A rule is definite and can be obeyed or broken (or bent if you want to allow that). A guideline is either followed or not, but it is a choice. Perhaps it should be changed to "rules".

playBunny: Help me dear (very limited english) :-) "Jokes board" is that jokes 'Pawns' could write? If yes, I think it is not a serious lost compared the vileness they could issue without paying a not really expansive fee.

playBunny: 2questions....
1)if they were deleted on another board...what makes it ok for this one?
2)does the UA only apply to some?

Spirou: Yes, I like Clay's idea too, and it's by far the easiest to put in place, but I wonder whether the boards would lose more than they gain (especially the Jokes board!).

playBunny: I prefer the ClayNashvilleTn suggestion, because simple, clear and efficient.

bwildman: Lol. That's the rule, of course, but ... that was a PM consisting entirely of messages posted on a public discussion board (last night, before they were deleted). And the rights of a disruptive person who's got himself banned ... ?

ClayNashvilleTn: Could guest players be prevented from doing anything but playing games? Is that a good idea? They could only post msg or send PM's after purchasing a memebership?

Or perhaps after an established player (a paying member or a good Pawn) has vouched for them - as judged from sane and friendly game messages (which should always be allowed) or by already being friends from elsewhere. Maybe it could require 2 or 3 or more people's vouching, or perhaps the vouching player could be deemed the "responsible adult" and therefore suffer consequences if the new pawn is disruptive enough to require banning. That last idea is to help prevent frivolous vouching and, especially, self-vouching of multiple nicks.

The scheme used on the FIBS forums is that new players can't post messages until they have played 50 games. That's an easy strategy to implement but I quickly discovered the drawback. I had trouble creating my account on FIBS and wanted to send a bug report - but wasn't allowed to until I had reached my 50. Duh? But that problem's easy to deal with: Pawns could be allowed to post bug reports and send messages to the moderators right from the start.

Chessmaster1000: I understand your complaint,however,its against the user agreement to post pm's,on public discussion boards.

If BK has a fault or weakness it is the inability to prevent Multi Nic's from being created by trouble makers.

When a new person shows up on General Chat they are scrutinized, ignored, mistreated and sometimes falsely accused of being someone else, all because of Multi Nic's.

I am sure some of us have at times offended innocent people just trying to make contact and develope friendships.

All of that has been caused by people like the one you pointed out. Sounds like Fencer resolved that pretty quickly.

Could guest players be prevented from doing anything but playing games? Is that a good idea? They could only post msg or send PM's after purchasing a memebership?

Chessmaster1000: I know how. But I won't say it because it would disprove its very sense.

No problem for me, but i think that i had to report this, as every other member that receives such messages should do......
By the way i think the "system" of having new Pawns has to change a bit......But i can't figure out how........?!?!?!?

Chessmaster1000: What's the problem? He is already banned.

Who is this new "django asyl" that did this?

I write this post because i think Brainking is a place to play games and not post ranting private posts so i want Fencer to do something for this......
What this? I mean how a new user (django asyl) that only today joined Brainking, has an opinion about me and some others and know some things for Brainking, if he hasn't another ID. And guess what: one of his first acts as a member of Brainking is to send me a strange message.....:

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Subject: thanks to your friend playdummy you'll appear in criminal neighbourhood now

Guess that's okay, heard you are
a cheater anyway, havce a nice day.

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ArtfulDodger Re: Dice rolls etc......
17. Temmuz 2005, 01:23:50
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django asyl: 'snif, snif'

Dano???

Mingy was right.
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jango asyl Re: Dice rolls etc......
17. Temmuz 2005, 01:28:54
ArtlessDotshare: Sniplets of him yes :D
And, SO? I thought she lies all the time? Poor clown.
[edited] Does it cash?
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ArtfulDodger Re: Dice rolls etc......
17. Temmuz 2005, 01:40:10
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django asyl: BK member....
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django asyl Re: Dice rolls etc......
17. Temmuz 2005, 01:42:28

Private msg from ArtfulDodger:

Would you like to see the sites? I have several now and even Greg is in at least one. Yeah, and there are other plans too. Wanna know about them Dano?

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I'm still here tho aint I? And Morphy is gone and so will this multiple nick. ;) bye bye
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django asyl I forgot the header, sowwy.
17. Temmuz 2005, 01:43:58

Kimden: [ArtfulDodger, Birleºik Devletler, Brain Piyonu, Erkek] ArtfulDodger - mesaj kutusuna göz atıyor
Tarih ve zaman: 17. Temmuz 2005, 01:39:42
Konu: <konu yok>
Cevapla
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django asyl poor old donkey 17. Temmuz 2005, 01:47:28
You should get help. And perhaps get even
used to getting unattractive by default for
the ladies, you can't spend your life with blackmailing, molester.
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grenv Re: I forgot the header, sowwy. 17. Temmuz 2005, 01:51:33
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django asyl: Why don't you try altering your personality when you create new usernames? Else you may as well just use your original user.
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ArtfulDodger Re: I forgot the header, sowwy. 17. Temmuz 2005, 01:53:07
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grenv: he keeps getting banned...so he has to create a new one in order to remain obnoxious.
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django asyl Re: I forgot the header, sowwy. 17. Temmuz 2005, 01:54:04
grenv: developed personalities are not exhangable randomly.
it's possible indeed, how was the scientific term? hmm right: 'wishiwashi'. :))
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django asyl Re: I forgot the header, sowwy. 17. Temmuz 2005, 01:55:04
ArtfulDodger: obnoxious sure LOL that from a confessing sucker-pig.
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ArtfulDodger Buh Bye
17. Temmuz 2005, 02:01:33
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django asyl: lol
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playBunny And then ....
17. Temmuz 2005, 02:04:46
if you delete your own posts in response to Asinine Asyl nobody will know what drivel they missed .. except ChessM1000, cos I've saved the pre-hide web page for him, lol.

This message will self destruct in .....
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That thing, with people having multiple ID's that don't have a life and try to get a meaningful one by writing nonsense and wait for reactions, starts to get annoying........Actually i don't care at all if they even send me 400 such messages and my reaction will be zero, so their happiness by seeing that i react will vanish, but i want to prevent them by letting to people know what kind of morons they are, to do the same again........

But the worse thing is that this "django asyl" is another member of Brainking and it's a matter of time to make another ID......It doesn't matter anyway.......!