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5. October 2011, 01:07:12
Nothingness 
I was also thinking that perhaps if we decide on requesting a forced draw we can do this. Anyone how decides to force a draw the game will not count against that opposing players stats but will effect your stats if it benefits your stats.

5. October 2011, 04:20:36
Dark Prince 
Subject: Re: Ratings adjustments
Nothingness:
are fixed according to a standard formula. It is my opinion that there is no solid reason to deviate from that formula.

5. October 2011, 23:12:01
Nothingness 
Subject: Re: Ratings adjustments
Dark Prince: The ratings are not fixed. i think that if you quit a game within the first 4 moves it does not count the same could be implemented in this instance.

6. October 2011, 03:45:17
Dark Prince 
Subject: Re: ratings are not fixed
Nothingness:
I said nothing to indicate otherwise.
I said it's a standard formula to adjust ratings.
The existing system already takes into account wins, losses, draws and provisional ratings.
To alter the existing formula to adjust ratings differently for draws would be arbitrary and without foundation.
On the left, one can click on "Ratings" under "Statistics" to find the following:
BKR means "BrainKing Rating" and is calculated by US Chess Federation formula(*) for each kind of a game separately according to your game results.

6. October 2011, 05:27:08
Nothingness 
Subject: Re: ratings are not fixed
Dark Prince: Umm you totally missed the point. "IF" a game ends prior to move 4 it does not count into the ratings. If a "FORCED" draw rule which does not exist (yet) is implemented then it would not count for the person requesting the draw. This would be something that could be put into the rules.. It has zero to do with the ratings system.
To prove my point I will play you in any version and I'll prove to you that you cannot win when the forced draw rule is in effect. The game becomes broken and most games will end in a draw. Most in the meaning that if a player plays a defensive style. If you want to randomly attack b/c your not intelligent enough to crack the defense and want people to bow to your (not you specifically) aggressive style that is fine. It takes intelligence and patience to crack a solid defense. Not a rule that will eliminate a weakness in your play style. I'm in a game now with Sandoz that is about 70 moves without an attack. This is game #2 of the set. The defense I set is un-crackable b/c i'm playing it the way I'd play it with a forced draw rule. Which is different than normal game play.

6. October 2011, 16:52:26
cookie monster 
Subject: Re: ratings are not fixed
Nothingness:

I think the Dark Prince's point was, with respect to ratings, you have a proposed a rule which affects only one player's rating in a game. That would be a change to the system

6. October 2011, 17:46:32
Dark Prince 
Subject: Re: The Point
Nothingness:
The choice to ignore a point one considers irrelevant does not imply the point was missed.
From what I've read on minimum number of moves for a game to be rated at BK, it's 2 moves by each player.
I don't know if that minimum applies to tournaments or stairs.
In any case, it has nothing to do with how ratings are adjusted. Rather, It relates to whether a game is rated.
I don't agree that playing a game, no matter the outcome, will either prove or disprove your point or mine.
I believe we've already played 2 games here.
Do you think the results of those games prove anything?

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