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19. October 2006, 18:34:56
cheating up up 
Subject: game analysis
befor i quit this site, i would like to do the self annotation of the following game: i hope to share my view with other players.
435152(red unrated) vs FromHell(black 2222) 2.
5 October 2006, 19:57:18

1.Che3 Ng8
2.Ng3 Rh10

black's move is flexible that may be developed to 12 different openings, for example: 3.Rh1 Ch4 4. Pg5 Ce8 5.Nf5 Nc8....Rh10 is more flexible than Nc8.

3.Nc3 Pg6
4.Pc5 Nc8
5.Rh1

now i have two lines to consider, i decided on Rh1, the other one is Cb5, followed by Pg5 to develop my knight.

5..... Cb4
6. Pe5 Ch4

black blocked my rook with two cannons.

7.Pe6 Ece8
8.Pd6 Nf6

so far so good for both sides, the first 8 moves are all book moves following the theory.

9.Ce4 Rh5?

when i saw this move i was very surprised that my opponent, as the no.2 chinese chess player on the top list, would play like this. his intention is to capture my pawn at c5, if Pg5 Rxg5 or Ee3 Nxe4...

10. Rxh4 Rxh4
11. Cxh4 Cxh4

black lost one move for this exchange. now my next move is to block his rook to control the b-file.

12.Rb1 Rb10
13.Cb7 Gde9
14.Pg5

giving up a pawn to get my horse in play. if black wanted to keep the pawn after knight exchanged,then black has a lone cannon on one side it would not give me any trouble,i just concentrated to block his army on the other side, i felt safe on my right side.

14...... Pxg5
15.Nge4 Nxe4
16.Nxe4 Pf5

black should make that move Na9 now

17. Nf6 Na9
18. Cb9 Ch9
19. Nh7 Cxb9?

we played the last 3 moves quite quickly, black captured the cannon without thinking almost instantly, the reason may be, it looked like a trap red set up to win his rook, if black captured the cannon with rook, then Ng9 check, so he captured with his cannon, he did not know the cannon is poision. he should have played Cf9.

20.Rb8 Kd10

after Rb8, black's army are pinned on one side, he was completely paralyzed and i have my horse(knight) running free at will on the other side.

21.Nf6 Black resigned

this is my last post.

26. October 2006, 15:40:32
cheating up up 
Subject: Re: game analysis
Modified by cheating up up (28. October 2006, 16:59:23)
after i post my "last post" here, sometimes i still login to see if some one will comment on the game "435152 vs FromHell". i could not resist the temptation.

here, i found another game of CryingLoser, the no.1 chinese chess player of this site, i would like to comment on it.
there are many private games, i don't know why they are still a private game, they are "finished games" now.


CryingLOSER (red) vs Kleineme(black) 5 nov 2005
tournament: Glenfiddich(Oriental games vs Lorien)

1.Che3 Nc8
2. Ri2 Cf8
3. Rd2 Ng8
4. Pg5 Rh10
5. Ng3 Rh6
6. Cbc3 Pg6

black should have played Rb10 to control the b-file, if Na3 Ca8..

7. Pxg6 Rxg6
8. Na3 Rb10
9. Rb1 Cb4
10. Pc5 Ege8

should be the other elephant up

11. Rd4 Cb2
12. Rd2 Cb4
13. Rd4 Cb6

red was perpetually chasing black's cannon which is unprotected, if black wanted to keep the same moves, red must stop doing that.

14. Rd9 Gfe9
15. Nc4 Cf9
16. Rd2 Pe6
17. Rb5 Rg4
18. Rd6 Pc6
19. Rd7 Cf4
20. Na5 Pxc5
21. Rxc5 Nce7
22. Nb7 Rb8
23. Cxe6 Rxg3
24. Cxc10+ Exc10
25. Rxc10 Kf10??

black should have played Cf10 instead of Kf10, then everything is alright for black. if 26. Nd8+ Rxd8 27. Rxd8 Rg6 28. Ce5 Re6...

red won this game not because he played well, just because black did not know how to defend.
the game looked like a beautiful game red sacrificed two pieces but he did not calculate accurately.
the sacroifice is not the correct one.

so the loser became a winner

27. October 2006, 04:28:05
goodbyebking 
Subject: Re: game analysis
435152: That is a flaming comment (regarding Crying Loser, at the bottom of the last post. 435152 should be restricted when talking about other players.

27. October 2006, 15:22:52
inpassant 
Subject: Re: game analysis
Modified by inpassant (28. October 2006, 17:03:58)
435152: I got sick of reading so much criticism from you about games other players play. Why not analyze your own games? Come on, tell us how good or bad you are. Or do you play perfectly?

"Quote removed"
This is a flaming comment as emmett said. Don´t mess players about their play just because they don´t do as a professional.
I hope that post will be your last one, really.

Edited only to remove the quote referenced, since I removed it from the original posts

27. October 2006, 21:16:35
cheating up up 
Subject: Re: game analysis
Modified by cheating up up (28. October 2006, 17:00:55)
naughtypawn:
the previous post re: game analysis on 26 October 2006, 15:40:32 supposed to be my last post, but, after i read your post i decided to add one more as my last post here.

> "I got sick of reading so much criticism from you about games other players play. Why not analyze your own games? Come on, tell us how good or bad you are. Or do yoiu pay perfectly?"

i just pointed out the mistakes the other players play, it is not thing wrong with that, if you think that is a criticism it is up to you. in my view, if some one could do the same thing to me i will be very happy to accept that. that way, i know what is wrong with my play, i can learn from my mistake.
i remembered long time ago, every time my teacher pointed out my mistakes , i always said " thanks sir" this is my way to learmn to play my chinese chess, also, it is why i am better than all of your guys here.
i did analyze my own game, if you read the post on 19 October 2006, 435152 vs FromHell, after that post i wanted to see if some one will comment on "my self annotation" of that game, so i still login sometimes, hoping that some one will give me a good idea how to play that game better, or if i missed something that i did not see.

did i play perfectly? how good i am? to tell the true, i am better than most of your guys here. no body is perefect,there are always some one is better than you, but if your opponent see one move ahead of you, you always are a loser, you can not win.


at first, i think the chinese chess discussion board needed a player like me to do more xiangqi game analysis. i do not know that will make some one sick.
but this is my last post. no more.

28. October 2006, 16:57:01
inpassant 
Subject: Re: game analysis
435152: "at first, i think the chinese chess discussion board needed a player like me to do more xiangqi game analysis."
"it is why i am better than all of your guys here."



but this is my last post. no more.


28. October 2006, 16:57:55
rod03801 
Subject: Re: game analysis
435152: While analyzing other peoples' games may not technically be wrong, the way you were doing it did not appear very polite. You should probably reconsider doing that.

And there is really no need to be sharing your views on fellow Brainking users appearances on this board. I have edited out those comments.

14. November 2006, 10:28:19
forweg 
Subject: Re: game analysis
435152: You complained and complained and complained about the quality of players on this site. How they were all jokes and so far below your level. But, now I see that someone is playing you well, and you accuse him of using a computer program! Unbelievable.

19. March 2009, 15:19:43
cheating up up 
Subject: Re: game analysis
forweg: playing online always there are suspect to use computer to cheat. do you know the different between human and computer move?

15. November 2006, 01:07:39
Sylfest Strutle 
Subject: Re: game analysis
435152: Why don't you bring some other good players to this site? I'm sure sure they will come when they hear that a marvelous player like yourself play here.

19. March 2009, 15:10:26
cheating up up 
Subject: Re: game analysis
fakar10: after 2 years+- my reply is that: no good chinese chess player will come here to play...i quit this site the 2nd time now

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