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14. February 2009, 20:55:58
Papa Zoom 
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Subject: Where's the irony?

2004: Buffalo, NY Muslim activist Muzzammil Hassan founds TV
station to combat negative stereotyping of Muslims.

2009: Buffalo, NY
Muslim activist Muzzammil Hassan beheads wife


What a difference 5 years makes.  Seems that since his wife had filed for divorce, Muzzammil had to perform an honor killing so he chopped her head off.  Nice touch Muzzammil.  That's sure to get those of us in the West to see Muslums in a different light. 

Get this:

"Friends expressed shock on Friday that the founder of a Muslim TV channel — which he launched in order to counter violent images of Muslims"
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/579324.html

From the article:

"I cannot believe it — I know them both well," he said Friday. "I cannot get a handle on this."

It would be a mistake to link an act of domestic violence to the couple's religion, he added.

"There is no place for domestic violence in our religion — none," Qazi said. "Islam would 100 percent condemn it."

Yeah, let's not blame the religion.  Just because honor killings is common practice, let's not jump to conclusions.  Islam wouldn't condemn this act since it's Islam that promotes it.  In Islam, if you are a woman and you are raped, you just may find yourself beheaded.  That's right, the family's honor is at stake here.  You had sex outside of marriage and that calls for your head.

Here's a picture of the couple.  She had an instrumental role in the creation of BridgesTV. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxnlvyCge4k




14. February 2009, 21:14:34
Mousetrap 
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Subject: Re: Where's the irony?
Artful Dodger: Now that is a classic case of one law for them and one law for us or "do as I say and not as I do"
I bet this goes on a lot more than we ever hear about.

14. February 2009, 21:23:03
Papa Zoom 
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Subject: Re: Where's the irony?
Mousetrap: In Islam, beating one's wife is not only permitted, but encouraged for the sake of strengthening the family and maintaining here honor and modesty.  We in the West oppress women.  An interesting way of looking at things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb6D9G4gpW8&feature=channel

14. February 2009, 21:47:32
Mousetrap 
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Subject: Re: Opress
Artful Dodger: Lol yes very interesting! It is hard to believe too that some Muslim women allow themselves to be treated like that and actually believe it is right but I am sure it is true. The only way to stop it would be if enough women started saying no but they would have to be quick before they got beheaded or whatever.

14. February 2009, 21:50:33
Papa Zoom 
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Subject: Re: Opress
Mousetrap:Even in the US there have been many honor killings.  The women don't allow it.  But they don't have a lot of choice.  In the Eastern cultures, it's an oppressive situation and they either submit, or die.  There is no fighting back.  In the US, you have to be willing to break totally with your family and basically go into hiding.  CNN has done several stories on this issue and it's a serious problem that's not likely to go away anytime soon.

14. February 2009, 21:57:12
Mousetrap 
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Subject: Re: honor killings
Artful Dodger: Yes it is the same here. Our goverment still decided to allow some parts of Sharia law to be practised though. It must be fear of having a Muslim uprising if they didnt.
I hope Sharia law never extends into our courts from Muslim parliament.

14. February 2009, 22:03:05
Pedro Martínez 
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Subject: Re: honor killings
Mousetrap: That is certainly not true.

14. February 2009, 22:10:10
Mousetrap 
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Subject: Re: honor killings
Pedro Martínez: It is not so long ago since it was on tv and in the news about a woman who has ran away from her family to escape an honor killing here. It certainly does go on but is not the norm.

14. February 2009, 22:06:08
"GERRY" 
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Subject: Re: Opress
Mousetrap: Why do women born in Canada & USA put up with beatings & say nothing?

14. February 2009, 22:08:35
Pedro Martínez 
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Subject: Re: Opress
"GERRY": For the same reason women born in Peru and Australia do so.

14. February 2009, 22:13:10
Mousetrap 
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Subject: Re: Beatings
"GERRY": Fear or just plain madness. The madness being that they think it is love.

15. February 2009, 00:15:34
anastasia 
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Subject: Re: Opress
"GERRY": untill YOU have lived that...don't judge a woman for the choice she makes

15. February 2009, 00:27:54
Mousetrap 
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Subject: Re: Judgement
anastasia: I did not get the impression that Gerry was judging.

15. February 2009, 03:47:38
"GERRY" 
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Subject: Re: Opress
anastasia: I did my dear.I seen my mother beat.Do you call that judging. That's a FACT.

14. February 2009, 22:01:30
Pedro Martínez 
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Subject: Re: Where's the irony?
Artful Dodger: I think you're confusing two terms. Islam and Sharia. I believe most Muslims would condemn and do condemn such honor killings, and most Islamic countries have stopped pursuing the Sharia Law. Unfortunately, there are still lots of "conservative" and "traditionally" thinking people who think of those harsh punishments as the only way.

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