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4. March 2011, 10:30:07
Übergeek 바둑이 
Subject: What is worse?
Two homosexual men are married and live happily and faithfully for their entire lives. They never cheat on each other or harm one another or anyone outside their relationship.

A heterosexual man is married. He beats up on his wife. Then he goes on to have mistresses several times during his life. Is he better or worse than the two homosexuals in the example above?

A church pastor preaches against homosexuality. Every week he collects money from his congregation. After a while he becomes wealthy and starts using his money to have affairs with several women. Is he better or worse than the two homosexuals above?

Note that the examples I gave are not unknown or rare. The question is: does morality have anything to do with sexual orientation? What is worse? A faithful homosexual or a dishonest heterosexual?

4. March 2011, 11:08:56
Bwild 
Subject: Re: What is worse?
Übergeek 바둑이: imo...both are wrong. if two people of the same gender want to be together..oh well...just dont expect me to accept it. if a man or woman cheats on their spouse...dont expect me to agree with that either,and because I live in a free country...I can express my opinion on the matter.
I just saw a commercial on tv saying "dont say "thats gay". they need one that says"if I dont agree with homosexuals....dont call me a "homophobe".
why? 1...I'm not afraid of homosexuals
2...I'm not homosexual
3...I have a right to voice my opinion in an adult matter

4. March 2011, 16:58:41
Übergeek 바둑이 
Subject: Re: What is worse?
Bwild:

> if I dont agree with homosexuals....dont call me a "homophobe"

I think the problem is that North American society is caught up in a search for political correctness. Everything we say has to be "politically correct".

There are people who disagree with homosexuality and will do so in a non-pathological manner. That is, they will express their opinion and avoid homosexuals without being destructive.

Then there are those who express almost a morbid fear of homosexuality. "If a gay man comes near my son, I will kill him." "God punishes homosexuals, just like he punishes murderers and rapists." There is a fear there, and homosexuality is equated with sin and crime. In some cases some of these men will go out and openly attack and even kill homosexuals.

In extreme cases, those who prosecute homosexuals are homosexuals themselves. Their "homophobia" is a veiled attempt at hiding their own ambiguous sexuality. The most famous case is J. Edgar Hoover, the founder of the FBI. For decades he kept secret files on the rich and powerful and documented their homosexuals relationships, while at the same time having a "brotherly" relationship with Clyde Tolson.

Culture is a big factor too. While North American society is more open, it is also deeply religious. Religious morality plays a role on how people see homosexuality. In some countries homosexuality is a crime under the law. Then is some societies homosexuality was acceptable and even encouraged (for example, ancient Greece, 15th century Florence).

One thing is certain. Our society lives in denial. It tries to hide homosexuality and refuses to accept homosexuality as a part of every society in the world going back for thousands of years. I do agree that political correctness can be taken too far. People should just lighten up on the whole issue. Let people live their lives as they see fit, without the state imposing its views of morality on human sexuality.

4. March 2011, 18:06:13
Bwild 
Subject: Re: What is worse?
Übergeek 바둑이: I agree with the "political correctness" issues being absurd in most cases.
its like these suicide bombers. easy to stop this activity. when someone attaches a bomb to their person...get their dna..trace their family tree...assassinate the entire family. I believe it would slow down that kind of activity immensely. but the liberals,tree huggers,dont step on bugs cause they have feelings too....would never allow it. mean time people keep dying.

4. March 2011, 20:44:38
Ferris Bueller 
Subject: Re: What is worse?
Übergeek 바둑이: Your last 2 posts are very well stated.  I agree with you.

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