(V):"There is fraud everywhere.... Agreed?"

Everywhere?  Even under the couch?   In principle I agree.  But that alone doesn't mean that everyone is a fraud.   Clearly that's not the case.

Palin was the best choice for President.  Better than ANY other choice. 

Artful Dodger: It's PM here..... had dinner, having a beer.

I'll look through some more am... now it's just fun time.

Artful Dodger: I don't play it that way. McCain I hear had health problems that could have left Palin as Pres... doesn't that make you afraid??

There is fraud everywhere.... Agreed?

(V):  waiting for my pm

Bwild: Actually many (if not most) third world countries have too many guns and totally unregulated in control. There was the famous bout of Iraqi police selling guns to those killing Allied soldiers.. Guns they were given to keep the peace.

(V):  Beck is right about most things.   He's exposed a lot of fraud in the White House.  Recently he exposed a few things about John McCain.  He said McCain would have been worse for the country than Obama.  

If Obama was white, and McCain black, Beck would have been called a racist for that comment.   That's how the game is played.

Artful Dodger: our country and many others are run by the likes of soros. when they finally succede in taking away our guns...we'll be no better off than most 3rd world countries.

Bwild:

(V): Ok. *burp*

Artful Dodger: He is funny, and goes over the edge. The really funny thing is that he gets paid so much to be a real American.

Like Douglas Adams said... "from a time when men were real men, when women were real women.. and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centuri".

Note the over use of the word "real".

Bwild: Obama has direct ties to ACORN but  is trying to distance his relational ties to that organization.  Unfortunately for him, he's on VIDEO promising them a voice in the President's decisions. 

(V): your post....like many others you post....makes absolutly no sense to me,and I'd have to be an idiot to try and make you understand anything.

Bwild: Politicians kiss babies to make votes.. Also play head games over details that the other is not perfect.

Who is?

(V):I saw that program live.  It was funny and Beck makes a good point.   But nowhere did I see him play any race card.  He's talking about illegal immigration.  Note the word illegal.  Yeah.  But blundered here big time.  Do you know what the US Constitution has to say about that?  I do. 

The Young Turks is a far left internet radio outfit.  What else would you expect from them? 

I watched beck the other nite as he was pointing out the acorn plot.
interestingly one of acorns top people was appointed by yomama under direct influence from george soros.
wake up and smell the coffee,people.
as far as the race card goes...I knew it was inevitable. demo's would evintually cry out racism when they felt they needed an opinion poll boost.
it doesnt matter that yomama's birth record is gray at the very least...he was popular, and needed to when over public opinion, by the powers that actually run our planet.

Artful Dodger: Yes... hot air flows up.. also warming cold air in the process.

Is this a Zen night??

Gotta get another beer then! *burp*

(V):  Send the others to me via PM.  Unless of course you have nothing to send.  Which is what I suspect.  Hot air flows up. 

Artful Dodger: I'll post one.. his point is the small minority (aka the bloke commentating) who like with the film "Dogma" get ... .... over responsive.

Ya moan about the 'liberal fringe.. respect right has a lunatic element as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLppliFzbs

(V):  Send those links in a PM.  There, yer out of excuses.

Artful Dodger: Art...... seriously .. do you think a reply like that ain't gonna be considered anything more than theatrics??

(V):  Just as I thought.  You have no examples to offer.  If you make the claim, back it up.  Otherwise it's clear that you are the one who is running on empty. 

Artful Dodger: go loook Art.

You are making a empty argument. And you know it.

(V):  I have seen one video where he was interviewed on Fox and Friends.  He clearly says he thinks Obama is a racist.  I've seen that one before.  You are claiming that Beck plays the race card.  I don't see it.  So if this one video you have is all you've got, you've got nothing. 

Like I said, you don't get the race card ploy.  YOu only think you do.

Artful Dodger: I'm not repeating myself. *says in an Ben Kenobi voice from the old Star Wars*.....

goooo look Art, the video is there...

(V):  So you can't really offer any examples then. 

Artful Dodger: I can, but it'd be more easy just to look on theyoungturks channel. I'm a bit concerned about posting actual links to them, as.. as most people do.. they swear from time to time.

I'm sure, you finding "idiot" as a 'bad' insult, you can understand my suggestion just to look.

(V):  Then you should have no trouble showing several examples of where Beck played the race card.  Go for it.

Artful Dodger: Over here.. 1000+ construction companies conspired to defraud public, private and charity building projects. We can play the '''''fraud''''' game all night. Madoff..... 50 billion... gone.

What is the conservative principle?? I find it confusing seeing as so much change has gone on in that in the last 100 years!!

And Beck does play the race game. He plays many games to 'get a reaction'.. including fake crying.

Come on Art, it's pointless saying the guy doesn't do this, they do that when Beck's stuff is all on youtube.

(V):  Glen Beck doesn't play the race card.  I doubt you really understand what that even means.

(V):   I back up my "they are idiots" with facts and logical arguments.  Dismissing someone as an "idiot" but offering no reason is name calling.   Case in point:  A leading "idiot" democrat was quoted as saying that he didn't read the bills he voted for because they are a: too many pages; and b: too difficult to understand.

They guy's an idiot.  Do the math.  He's voting YES on bills he's NEVER READ and he justifies never reading those bills saying they are too difficult to understand.

BTW, they are idiots on both sides of the isle.  In the final analysis, Bush was an idiot.  Why?  He violated nearly every Conservative principle.  He's responsible for the huge government as it started with him.  Huge government systems spell fraud, incompetence, waste, and inefficiency.  

You'd have to be an idiot not to see the difference. 

Artful Dodger: As Glen Beck does??

Artful Dodger: I'm not people... I'm me.

I expect now that next time you disagree with Obama and/or Washington you'll drop the use of "idiot"..... Seeing as you feel so strongly about the use of the word. And that I hear Beck treating people like idiots and implying as such.

... Look, you can't have one rule "Republicans can do this, Democrats can do that." .. It's not real, just theatrics.

Übergeek 바둑이:  All nonsense.  Beck doesn't like Obama's policies.   Obama's being black has nothing to do with it.  You play the race card and I've no respect for that.

You have to be blind to suggest Van Jones was "smeared."  HOW exactly did Beck accomplish this?  All Beck did was to quote Van Jones, play tapes of Van Jones's own speeches and ask questions. 

You don't have your facts straight about ACORN.  There is no doctored video.  You have no evidence of that.  You are just parroting some nonsense you've read.  You will see.  ACORN will lose in this suit.  Odd that for a doctored video all the people involved on ACORN's side were fired by ACORN. 

Get your facts straight.  ACORN has been caught in election fraud, over 30 of their people have been charged in election fraud, one of it's founders is now under investigation for embezzlement, and on more than one occasion, ACORN officials assisted in getting housing for the sole purpose of under age prostitution.

Wise up.

Artful Dodger:

I can see some signs of intelligence in Glenn Beck's comments. However, when he becomes stubborn about something it seems that he has no control over what he says. The time in which he called Obama a "racist" seems to me a veiled way to put forth his own racism and dislike of an African American president. It seems to me that Glenn Beck dislikes Obama, not for well thought-out political reasons, but because Obama is a black Democrat.

Beck sunk too low when he carried a smear campaign against Van Jones, the former White House Council for Environmental Quality. Glenn Beck accused Jones of being a communist. However, I find it interesting that Beck carried a vendetta against an African American who had called on advertisers to remove ads from Beck's show after he called Obama a racist.

I am trying to find some examples of his uncovering corruption. I found references to ACORN corruption. I am not that familiar with all the issues surrounding ACORN but it seems to me that Fox news published a doctored video made in Baltimore. There is a pending defamation lawsuit against Fox and the "conservative activists" who made the video. I am just curious: Was Glenn Beck this enthusiastic during the Bush administration or are his efforts entirely partisan? I imagine that he understands that the press is supposed to be impartial.

(V):  Nonsense.  It's name calling.  People who have a problem with Beck always resort to name calling.  They rarely offer rational reasons as to why they disagree with his positions.  Name calling, sarcasm, mocking, those are the trademark responses of Beck's opponents when they can offer no real counter argument. 

I mean Art.. you've used the word "idiot" quite a few times to describe various people.. especially your own government.

Artful Dodger: As you say people like theatrics, and Fox's editorials are good at that. And btw... he like all 'faces' has researchers.

And saying someone is an idiot is not an insult, it's using metaphorical description. I heard worse being said of a 'nazi-elitist' by his defence lawyer in crown court.

As you said.. "It would be boring to watch Beck if he didn't get a bit theatrical at times."

(V):   People like theatrics.  It would be boring to watch Beck if he didn't get a bit theatrical at times.  But there's a message in his madness.  He is brilliant.  Calling him names reflects on you, not him.

(V):   Yeah, that must explain why Fox is number one in every time slot and burries the other new outlets.  Oh, and it must also take an idiot to uncover corruption and bring it to the attention of the American public.  Because that's what Beck has done.  And what about the other networks?  Silence.  Even cover-ups. 

Artful Dodger: Aye.... but media likes over the top guys. helps advertising revenue.

Pedro Martínez: I would have to say that Fox news is carrying on the English tradition of having a 'village idiot'. Fox nEwS being a 'village' of sorts of the Murdoch empire..

I guess O'Reilly was losing his .... attention grabbing potential.

(V):  We're all opinionated. 

Übergeek 바둑이: He sounds ... opinionated from youtube. Basically paid to be 'better than life'..

Media

Übergeek 바둑이: Vikings modified my post in which I quoted gogul and replaced the word that had caused the removal of gogul's original post with “idiot”. But Vikings missed the last occurrence of that word, so go back to my post and I'm sure you can find it. Then you can also post a reference link to Wikipedia for those who don't know what it is.

For those who don't know who Glenn Beck is, Wikipedia has some more information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck

Having seen videos of the man in YouTube I think Gogul's comments were warranted. I see no reason why Gogul was banned, other than calling the man a donkey orifice.

For those who don't know, Gogul posted this word: "Otterngezüchte", which in English translates as "Brood of vipers". It is a biblical reference to Luke 3.7.

In English:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lucas%203&version=NIV

and in German:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Lukas+3.1-9&version=LUTH1545;

I imagine it was not the German word that got him banned, but the expletives he used to describe Mr. Beck. Well, censorship in BK was argued about a long time ago.

Bernice: lol..kinda like the Democrats gag order against Humana!! lol

Übergeek 바둑이: over moderating by someone who thinks they know better ROFLMBO

What happened to Gogul's two posts? Did they vanish into thin air!

Pedro Martínez:  Glen Beck is my hero.