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11. February 2010, 02:11:49
Herlock Sholmes 
Subject: Games statistics

it's interesting to look at running games statistics ... out of first 20 games mostly played, there are 15 games that uses dice ... it's 75 percent, if you will, taken by backgammon and its clones plus all the dice poker games and the absolute king Ludo ... remaining 5 are chess (traditional favorite) plus 2 battleboats version and two games created by the users of this site: Frog Finder by coan.net (aka Big Bad Wolf) and Knight Fight by me, Andy. And this situation stays pretty much the same unchanged. Why ? What constitutes the most desirable game to play ... Look at Ludo ... it's a game with a very limited level of needed skills ... so what makes it so exciting ? UNKNOWN ... waiting for the big roll, this is what makes it a great game ... the same basically applies to all backgammon clones and poker games ... now, how about Frog Finder and Battleboats ? Again UNKNOWN ... but this time unknown placement of basic elements that need to be discovered ... Knight Fight has different qualities ... everything is known and what makes it interesting is the fact that this game is a racing-running game in nature, combined with known chess knight problem ... so we are back to Ludo running quality, but not "around the pond", but instead thru carefuly planned jumps across the chess board ... I would appreciate your comments and thoughts.


Andy.


 


11. February 2010, 04:16:32
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Games statistics
Herlock Sholmes: Another thing that needs to be looked at is the length of the game - that is Ludo is the #1 game... but at the same time, it takes a long time to complete a game..... I don't feel like doing all the math, but would guess taking in how long a game last would still leave Ludo near the top.

then a game like Hyper Backgammon is shorter, so thinking of that might push that game up some more.

Then #26 game Logik is pretty short (what, max of 8 moves each?) - so if game length is considered, that game might move up some.

.... not that I have much of a point, and the basics of what you said is still true - and I do use the running games as a "general" guideline of how popular a game is... but it can easily be manipulated by a team tournament, or popular (prize) tournament creating a lot of games... and if it's a long game it will push it up that list... and if it's a short game, it will push it up the list but quickly come right back down.

Again... no point... just thought I would add.

11. February 2010, 06:00:05
Bwild 
Subject: Re: Games statistics
coan.net: I thought someone else came up with frog finder???

11. February 2010, 17:42:19
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Games statistics
Bwild: No, I cam up with with Frog Finder - can find some of the details & "history" of the game here: http://www.coan.net/sweeper.html

11. February 2010, 09:43:35
Hrqls 
Subject: Re: Games statistics
Herlock Sholmes: dice games require less thinking .. therefore its easier to make a quick move in those games and more of those games can be played at once

personally i always try to judge my time before i join a chess or pente type of game because it can take quite some time to make a move .. but i will almost always joing a dice game

(not at the moment though ... busy time coming up so i have to restrain myself a bit :))

11. February 2010, 10:45:17
AbigailII 
Subject: Re: Games statistics
Hrqls: dice games require less thinking .. therefore its easier to make a quick move in those games and more of those games can be played at once

If your opponent is online, yes. But I think most of the "duration" of a game, the game doesn't move forward because the player whose move it is isn't online, or hasn't selected the game yet. Many games last weeks or months - I doubt most of that time one of the player is actively studying the position. Even if both players spend 24 hours in total actively contemplating their next move, that's less than 10% total time if the game lasts a month.

11. February 2010, 11:59:01
Hrqls 
Subject: Re: Games statistics
AbigailII: i mean that i can join more dice games .. because it will take me less time to make my moves ...

suppose i joined 100 dice games and its my turn in all those games .. then it takes me a lot less time to make all my moves before i timeout compared to 100 chess games

so only considering the spare time i have i can easier join 100 dice games than 100 chess games

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