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1. July 2004, 19:51:49
BuilderQ 
Brian1971: If this site really used the US Chess Federation formula, my rating would always be raised by less than 16 points for winning against a lower rated player.

1. July 2004, 19:49:46
Andersp 
Brian. Dont you think there can be a problem if someone with lower "rating" is picked to a team?

1. July 2004, 19:45:17
Stevie 
Subject: woooohooooo
My 6th game just completed, and its put me on there now :o)

1. July 2004, 19:45:13
Brian1971 
Subject: backoff
Then there may be a bug. That would be Fencer's department.

1. July 2004, 19:43:51
Brian1971 
Subject: andersp
I would agree with you about the rating fomula but like I said I dont worry too much about it. I figure if I win more than I lose, it will be a good number, if I lose more than I win, then it will be a low number. As far as fellowship teams, depending on the fellowship, you may be able to play team tournaments for your fellowship, if it is an open sign up offered for tournament. Meaning that the captains or Big Boss says first come, first serve despite rating. So your point of BKR meaning more, may not always apply. However yes it might mean something to some fellowship captains or bosses.

1. July 2004, 19:43:32
Backoff 
But there's two people on there so there IS one.

1. July 2004, 19:40:13
Brian1971 
Subject: Stevie
Must be a bug or like I said before, since it is a new game, a table hasnt been established yet.

1. July 2004, 19:37:17
Stevie 
Subject: Brian
I am not on all rated table either, nor is backoff

1. July 2004, 19:35:59
Andersp 
I have never cared about rating but since the rating decides who will be picked to the fellowship teams i think it will be more important now.
Must say that the formula is very weird if you lose 46 BKR if you lose to a player with a lot higher rating and only -13 if you lose to a player with lower rating. Should be opposite.

1. July 2004, 19:32:31
Brian1971 
Stevie: Of course you wont be on the established table until 25 rated games are completed. However check the table with all rated players.

1. July 2004, 19:31:15
Brian1971 
Stevie: It is possible since it is a new game.

BuilderQ: It is the US Chess Federation formula. However it is modified for BrainKing. For instance if you beat a significantly weaker opponent you gain little or no BKR. If the formula was exactly applied you would lose points in this example. So if you can access the US Chess Federation Formula for calculating a rating number than you can figure it out.

1. July 2004, 19:29:52
Stevie 
ooops found it now, but me not on it

1. July 2004, 19:29:44
Backoff 
lol tell me about. My BKR is 2500 in Amazons lol. Till BBW gets done with me :(

1. July 2004, 19:27:42
Stevie 
Subject: Is there not a ratings table for Amazons?
I have a bkr but no rating and cant find it :o(

1. July 2004, 19:26:01
BuilderQ 
"...Impossible to compare..." Not if I knew the rating formula.

1. July 2004, 19:23:08
Brian1971 
Subject: ratings
First off I play for fun and ratings second. However remember the formula is a complicated one. There are a variety of factors based on both you and your opponent. Number of games played, quality of oppostion, wins-loss-draw record is taken into account as well as your current opponent that you beat or lost to. It is impossible to compare why you gained or lost more points than your opponent or gained or lost less points than your opponent. Their game record is going to be different than yours based their own record and game history and opponent history. I look at ratings as an afterthought as I use it to find games against opposition in the same range as me or higher. However if you play for the fun of it the rating number means very little.

1. July 2004, 19:19:12
Fencer 
Because the formula works in this way.

1. July 2004, 19:15:37
BuilderQ 
While we are discussing ratings, consider this:
From: Jokl
Date and time: 1. July 2004, 07:47:16
Subject: Your opponent resigned the game (Chess) (show game)

You are the winner.

BuilderQ: old BKR = 1886, new BKR = 1910 (+24)
Jokl: old BKR = 1840, new BKR = 1813 (-27)

Game type: Chess

Why did I get less than my opponent lost, especially seeing as I had played LESS chess games in total?

1. July 2004, 19:00:50
LongJohn 
I agree that it is a little weird but I delete all mine and have no records.

1. July 2004, 18:54:25
Andersp 
Antje...i compared..you lost to a player who had 369 BKR HIGHER than you and you lost -46 BKR.
I just lost to a player who had 165 LOWER than me ..and i only lost -13 BKR.
cant be right?

1. July 2004, 17:39:12
IndiagonalJones 
I will support this motion about the Blue edge for loop from Christine and bwildman. Thanks!

1. July 2004, 17:32:41
Antje 
Modified by Antje (1. July 2004, 17:33:12)
i have a question about the BKR. (let me preface this by saying im not whining and usually dont care about my rating) Im losing a whole lot of points each time i lose, i was up over 2000, now im in 1500. ive been looking at the points im winning/losing, when i lose i lose i lose 40 some points, and even now when im 1600 and my opponent is 1900, i still lose 40 some points, i dont recall the difference being that dramatic before. am i just now more aware of it, or has something changed?

so if the luck of the dice is the usual decider, i need to win 2 to equal the loss of one game, and im dropping 40 points with each loss, ill be hitting zero before too long.

has anyone else noticed this?

*edited for a typo or two

1. July 2004, 15:30:13
Fencer 
Of course.

1. July 2004, 15:10:01
bwildman 
Subject: Re: loop chess
it does help distinguish the game.

1. July 2004, 15:07:24
Christine 
Subject: loop chess
Fencer, would it be possible to get the blue edge around the loop chess board again?

1. July 2004, 14:53:33
Fencer 
Ah-ha! Row layout and board at the top. That's a deadly combination :-D
I know how to fix it.

1. July 2004, 12:31:22
harley 
Cariad, on your keyboard press 'print screen SysRq', then open up word and hit paste. You have your screen shot!

1. July 2004, 12:28:21
cariad 
You could come along and join me in my account for a couple of minutes and take a look for yourself. I don't bite!

Much.

1. July 2004, 12:26:50
cariad 
I don't even know what a screenshot is!

1. July 2004, 12:25:09
Fencer 
Interesting. I will look into error logs. Can you, uh, can you make a screenshot of that page?

1. July 2004, 12:23:26
cariad 
Fencer:
Yes, so I know who the invitations are from.

I noticed the red invite figure as I was playing a game so I clicked it directly, without going to the main page.

1. July 2004, 12:16:46
harley 
And don't forget the flags! Hover over them to see the country!

1. July 2004, 12:15:30
Niki 
Subject: new feature to add to list
just read the list of new features.. you may want to add that the red number that appears next to the message box on the left hand list, when hovered over reveals who the last message received is from.

1. July 2004, 12:13:13
Fencer 
Can you see some invitation on your main page?

1. July 2004, 12:11:48
cariad 
Oh!

1. July 2004, 12:08:24
Fencer 
It works for me.

1. July 2004, 12:07:05
cariad 
I don't know if this is part of the red numbers bug or has been covered before but:
when I pick up an invitation by clicking the red number the page gives no indication as to who the invite is from. There's just a game board.

1. July 2004, 11:24:46
Fencer 
Next week.

1. July 2004, 11:24:02
Stevie 
Subject: When...
...do you think you will unsuspend the game timeouts?

1. July 2004, 10:43:46
ughaibu 
Thanks.

1. July 2004, 10:33:41
Czuch 
Subject: Auto log in...
I have found that I am able to leave this site to browse or whatever, and do not always have to log in to get back here. Even after going to bed and coming back this morning, I did not have to log in, and even my connection was off. Is this an advantage of WebTV? I have heard others say that they cant even leave the site at all without having to log back in....

1. July 2004, 10:13:33
Fencer 
As often as you want.

1. July 2004, 09:56:20
ughaibu 
How often can one change one's picture?

1. July 2004, 09:03:59
Bernice 
win98SE

1. July 2004, 09:01:44
sandra... 
i dont have to scroll across either....

1. July 2004, 08:47:21
Artful Dodger 
must be your settings as I don't have to scroll across..what are you running?

1. July 2004, 08:37:37
Bernice 
I did post this yesterday or the day before but.....:(

Every message board (not main page or game pages)
all fellowship pages have to be scrolled across.
Is this something new or a bug?
it is a bit of a nuisance
I have looked for information on this but unless someone speaks different to me i might have misunderstood...

1. July 2004, 08:17:04
Artful Dodger 
Subject: yes Bernice
you are on the team with me :) lucky you

1. July 2004, 08:16:42
Bernice 
I am?? thanks :) will check that out LOLOL

1. July 2004, 08:15:59
Bernice 
Jason :(...perhaps that is the one im signed into, that I cant see, that I should be able to see, that I might not be able to play in any other team, because im signed into your team but i cant see it HAHAHAHAHAHA....sorry

and yes you did get my PM about missing gammon team :)

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