Walter Montego: The second dice game you mentioned is basically, Farkel. Everyone has their own version, but the basic version uses 6 dice. It is a very fun game and would work well on this site. Instructions can be found on the internet. Just search for "Farkel Rules". Here is what I found: Basic Rules. I, personally, have my own "house" rules that I would be happy to share (ask for them in a PM) with Fencer.