Artful Dodger: ?? But... but, I thought game playing was part and parcel of this board.

But you are wrong to a degree.... Not just Bill

(V): don't play games. We both know what you meant. Spare me.

Artful Dodger: Did I say Bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4gRGic11k&feature=related

just saying

The liberals favorite networks are the ones that tell only part of the story. In other words, they lie by omission.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cenk-uygur-cuts-peter-schiff’s-mic-during-heated-discussion-over-crony-capitalism/

Jules really likes this guy

(V): And anyone watching O'Reilly over the years know that you are referring to him with the "shut up" quote. But let's see....that was years ago. And he's only ONE program. That's why your argument is weak.

As for cut the mic, that's appropriate for some blowhard that won't answer the question and only wants to filibuster. I'd cut more than their mic.

(V): Oh I read it. After I finished laughing I posted my reply. I wasn't sure if you were trying out some comedic material or if you were trying to be serious.

Artful Dodger: Nope...... you just misread

Or having nothing to say but nothing so you just spin

(V): Lol you keep changing you weak argument,

* I said it was old school, eg NOTW.. Not that Murdoch is some strange UnDeAd creature living forever, or the mAsTeR from Dr Who.... going back and forth manipulating history!!

And when the Liberals come on that start saying things the presenters don't like... "Shut up" .. "cut the mike".

I've seen it

(V): Truth is Jules all networks do much of the same. It's a competition remember? As for dating back 160 years, it couldn't have started with Murdock now could it? ABC, NBC, CBS, and ALL THE OTHERS do much the same as the presentation is the thing.

As I said, you grasp at straws.

In truth, people ought to get their news from a variety of sources and a variety of perspectives. I always watch the network world news in addition to other sources. But I know that unless I did deeply, I'll never hear the full story on any news program. They only have a few minutes to present the top highlights of any newsworthy item. No cable/tv program can do a story justice. And no one source can provide one with every ounce of truth there is to be had. There's always the Paul Harvey element to any story.

But with Fox one does get a more balanced view. Liberal views are presented alongside more conservative views. That approach sells. One-sided sloppy journalism such as MSNBC does not.

The Geek likes Russian TV. Well, he gets what he pays for then. They are hardly advocates of truth. They too present a slanted view as does PBS and BBC. There's always a slant. Question is, to which direction does the slant lean? Not speaking of left or right here. Fox leans on the side of what's factually true. The others not so much. CNN comes close. PBS covers issues well but they too have a left lean. It says so in their memos. It's up to the viewers/readers to sort things out.

Like so many, you simply dismiss Fox outright. That's a red flag. And you're only proof for anything is your babble. You speak a lot, but say nothing. If I wasn't already bald, I'd get a bald spot from scratching my head.

(V): Yes our supreme court ruling on corporate personhood was just conflict of interest that the justices are allowed to get away with and created an outlet to allow super PACs to buy votes and elections.

Artful Dodger: Nope. If you look back at the history of the now sacrificial lamb "News of The World" you'll find that much the same dating back 160 years.

Such like "the Sun", "the Daily Mail" have been doing similar for decades.

The info is from wikipedia.. duhhhhh

(V): BTW, where did you get that info as you didn't use quotes and didn't reference a source. Are you trying to claim those are your own words?

(V): Wrong. I see none of that. It's all new school. You just make this stuff up as you go. You're like the losing team who stays on the field even though the game is long over.

Artful Dodger: It's old school tabloid.

(V): so what???

Artful Dodger:

From the beginning, FNC has placed heavy emphasis on visual presentation. Graphics were designed to be colorful and attention grabbing and to allow people to get the main points of what was being said even if they could not hear the host, through the use of on-screen text summarizing the position of the interviewer or speaker and "bullet points" when a host was giving commentary.

Fox News also created the "Fox News Alert," which interrupted regular programming when a breaking news story occurred.

To accelerate its adoption by cable companies, Fox News paid systems up to $11 per subscriber to distribute the channel.[16] This contrasted with the normal practice, in which cable operators paid stations carriage fees for the programming of channels.


...and again just watch the channel.

Jack: Ideally it would be nice if there was a cap on donations. Something they are looking into doing here in the UK to a degree. The idea that someone can and will spend $15 million on the campaigning in a single state is nuts!!

"McConnell said in a public speech the only goal the republicans have is to get rid of Obama and republican politically correct think this is good leadership."

It's crap. Yet the gravy train of lobbyist paid lunches, cars and jobs for life after office is one great big tank of swill for those who feed indiscriminately.

(V): I knew you couldn't provide examples. You have none.

(V): The problem is, you have your "facts" wrong. And rantings are not evidence. Most people know the difference.

V the American public is the most uninformed people on the planet when it comes to politics. People look to the corporate media for information on politicians  that is readily available to them through their political history support and votes they take. The politically correct are always ready to cover up the digressions of their favored party. It's the straw man creations created by the hate mongers that give American politics a bad name. The constant bickering in support for corrupt corporations and fascism that is over taking the government. The support for corporate war where no threat exists.

Obama is not a good leader but is much better than what the republicans have put up to run against him. The hate mongers can't stand it because the president has a good solid family life and pays his taxes instead of off shoring his money to hide it. McConnell said in a public speech the only goal the republicans have is to get rid of Obama and republican politically correct think this is good leadership.

If American voters become any more uninformed about what they are supporting we won't have to bother about any recovery because their will not be anything left to recover.

Artful Dodger: The evidence is clear.. just watch some Fox. Just like Fox paying networks to take up the broadcasting of their show is clear.. the accounts tell the story, being that they have to be published.


"Facts are stubborn things. But if you like straws please, continue to grasp. "

That Fox is the most distrusted channel... along with the surveys that show Fox news causes people to become more ignorant about the world.

.. or is that just religious led conservatism?

Artful Dodger:

> Sad for you that you have to resort to a dishonest appraisal of Fox so that your ideology can be pampered.

Like I said, Fox is not a bad network. I just don't find their style of reporting appealing to me.

Well, I find that no news channel is balanced. I said that I find it better to see several channels rather than limit myself to one.

As for my ideology, for it to be pampered I would revamp every channel. I would kill all advertising to begin with. Then I would set reporters to truly ionvestigate what politicians are doing and uncover the veil of secrecy that politicians use as a way to "protect the public and national security". I doubt that politicians want transparency or honesty. They want to carry on as always, favoring the wealthy and powerful and using the masses as mere tools to secure their power. No channel would ever report like that.

(V): Such as? Oh yeah that's right, you don't provide evidence for your claims. You just say it as if it's really true.

(V): Facts are stubborn things. But if you like straws please, continue to grasp.

Jack: I know... That's why I found it rather hypocritical.

(V): PBS is the last news service in America that is not sucking up to big money. Their ratings skyrocketed when Bill Moyers came back out of retirement. He gives good honest commentary.

Republicans in America are known for their religious bigotry using religion to support their phony agenda.

Bernice: Hey.. I'm not the one who posts twisted figures!!

Fox objecting to Obama using scripture in Tax cuts push.

.. Will they complain about Republicans using the Bible to validate their anti gay/pro life stances?

Übergeek 바둑이: We've got 13 news channels available, plus a few specialist (business/parliament) ...

Good to have a range.

The reporting on Fox is based upon brash headline style graphics and slogans. The same he used to help influence peoples opinions in the UK to get them to support whoever sucked upto him the most come election time.

Bernice: So the figures are usless and meaningless?

What was the point of putting them in an album and posting them then?

I know I C&P.. everyone does here. Art mainly

Artful Dodger: PBS is more trusted.

"As of January 2011, the Democratic Party-affiliated Public Policy Polling reports that Fox News Channel is the second-most trusted television news network in the country, with 42% of respondents reporting they trust the network, compared to other major news channels (behind PBS which stands at 50%, and ahead of NBC at 41%, CNN at 40%, CBS at 36%, and ABC at 35%). Simultaneously, Fox News Channel is also ranked the most distrusted news channel in the country, with 46% of respondents reporting they distrust the network (behind PBS at 30%, NBC at 41%, and CNN, CBS, and ABC each at 43%)."

"A leaked memo from Fox News vice president Bill Sammon to the News staff during the height of the debate over Health care reform in the United States has been cited as an example of the pro-Republican party bias of Fox News. His memo asked the staff to "use the term ‘government-run health insurance,’ or, when brevity is a concern, ‘government option,’ whenever possible." This memo was sent shortly after Republican pollster Frank Luntz advised Sean Hannity on his Fox show that: "If you call it a public option, the American people are split," he explained. "If you call it the government option, the public is overwhelmingly against it."[54]"

Bernice: Yes.. it doesn't collect moss. It's also at that size very hard to stop. One can re use phrases. Such as our politicians who went through a big phase of saying "real".

btw.. don't you check figures before using them? Seeing as you represented them as being meaningful and good.

Übergeek 바둑이: Interesting isn't it that FNC is the most popular cable news outlet but it, as you say, slants left. That ought to speak volumes to you leftys but you ignore the obvious. Could it possibly be that Fox presents a fair and balanced view of issues. Even Hannity has regular liberal contributors. O'Reilly has them on every day and they rarely agree with him. You don't get the diversity of opinion on the other broadcasts. People watch Fox because they trust it. Sad for you that you have to resort to a dishonest appraisal of Fox so that your ideology can be pampered.

(V): you've become boring again

Artful Dodger:

> apples to apples FNC kicks butt ALL DAY LONG

Sounds like a great ad! Do you work for FNC, or hold stock in the company? That kidn of love comes only from somebody with a vested interest in FNC.

Well, of course, ratings is no indication of quality. Lots of people love MacDonald's. It does not mean that MacDonald's is good food, or nutritious food.

How should news be measured? Quality? Quantity? Popularity?

I find that if I want better news with more balanced reporting, then I have to see several channels to get a more complete picture. I never watch CNN or Fox. Simply because their view of the world is given through the narrow looking glass of American centrist and right-wing politics. It does not mean that they are bad networks. I just don't find their way of reporting appealing to me.

Likewise, I am sure the reporting in other channels leave a lot to be desired to other people. It is all colored by people's personal opinions.

I watch BBC News but I find a distinct pro-weswtern slant in their reporting. They are not left-leaning (as some people might want to believe). I find that they do chime of the neo-liberal ideology of modern western politics.

I watch RT (Russian television) news which has a less Eurocentric and Western-centric view. I find that they report much better in things that the western media tries to hide. A good example is their reporting of the rising sectarian violence in Lybia, something that western news media are playing down. While the western media gives a pro-western view of the situation in Syria, RT is giving what I feel is a more balanced view.

Sometimes I watch CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) news. I find them entirely western-centric and neo-liberal in their views, but they are far from left-leaning as some people might claim.

I rarely see Al Jazeera. I find them a souped up (or down?) version of BBC news.

Well, Fox might have high ratings, but I do not necessarily agree with their right-wing slant. That is just me, because I am a left winger. Those who agree with Fox will naturally defend their reporting.

Bernice:

Not all of the data in that chart is right. It was not collected by an independent monitor of the economy, and it is not corroborated. Just of the top of my head I can see the employment picture being wrong. The Bush administration finished with 9.9% unemployment. I know, because I follow the stock and futures markets and employment is one of the main movers of the financial markets. It says a lot that the graph is labelled "Mr. Conservative".

rod03801: .. 2 seconds... How many did McCain say?

(V): He claimed he could

Bernice: And those kinda figures are what's bad in the world. Distorted snapshots for people who they hope have no memory or education.

Here, we get educated to know you just can't stop a rolling stone the size of a medium mountain.

Bernice: Oh no Obama is not Moses and can stop the momentum of a broken economy falling in 2 seconds flat. Especially with all those lobbyist groups saying "no no no"

Artful Dodger: Politics ((V), 2012-02-01 22:43:20)

Bernice: People like Jack just can't get over the fact that Fox is successful because it's fair and honest. So they like to attack it in as many ways as they can even to the point of making things up (see Jack's previous posts for examples).

Jack: Who gives a stuff about FOX....only one other it seems....I found those figures and put them there for AD to see.

Austan Goolsbee says current recovery beats job creation record of George W. Bush recovery

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/06/austan-goolsbee/austan-goolsbee-says-current-recovery-beats-job-cr/

Bernice: You need to put up some figures FOX didn't spin off from Bush to Obama.