The Usurper: It makes me think that America is heading towards a even bigger crises in the long run. Or..... A lot of people are going to get locked up.

.... It's makes me think that the land of the free is not a land of the free anymore. And the core of your government has sold out.

The Usurper: Big business tries to run America but fails badly. The way your lobbyist system allows so much pressure and greed within your political system it's diabolical. It seems that problem with the USA is the level of corruption and 'departments' that are not answerable to anyone.

... Oh I forgot... It's a secret. We shouldn't be talking about such things.... or we might get lent on.

Franklin D. Roosevelt and his new deal......

http://memory.loc.gov/learn/features/timeline/depwwii/newdeal/newdeal.html

" The New Deal Roosevelt had promised the American people began to take shape immediately after his inauguration in March 1933. Based on the assumption that the power of the federal government was needed to get the country out of the depression, the first days of Roosevelt's administration saw the passage of banking reform laws, emergency relief programs, work relief programs, and agricultural programs. Later, a second New Deal was to evolve; it included union protection programs, the Social Security Act, and programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. Many of the New Deal acts or agencies came to be known by their acronyms. For example, the Works Progress Administration was known as the WPA, while the Civilian Conservation Corps was known as the CCC. Many people remarked that the New Deal programs reminded them of alphabet soup.

By 1939, the New Deal had run its course. In the short term, New Deal programs helped improve the lives of people suffering from the events of the depression. In the long run, New Deal programs set a precedent for the federal government to play a key role in the economic and social affairs of the nation. "

I don't blame the Jewish people, or the American people, or any other people. But the global elites, both Jewish & American and others, are blameworthy.

Czuch: Welcome back Czuch.

Won't you be surprised when you figure out your Problem-Reaction-Solution scenario has real merit. :o)

saeco: As you prefer.

wow... i'm done with this forum...
i prefer a baseball bat

Im starting to see the merit to this theory, especially with it now hitting us smack in the face in regards to the so called "global economic crisis"......

Obama is in cahoots with other government leaders to purposely create a global financial crisis, which will lead to a reaction of fear among the common people, enough to allow us to permit and approve the creation of one global new deal and more, to allow the creation of one global government.....

wE aRe alL dOoMEd......

The Usurper: Sorry, I had a late start and over 100 new posts to muddle through....

(V): A book everyone should read is this:

http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/tfsar10.txt


It has a tacky name: "The Flying Saucers Are Real," by Donald Keyhoe, who....

"...is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis. He flew in active service with the Marine Corps, managed the tour of the historic plane in which Bennett and Byrd made their North Pole flight, was aide to Charles Lindbergh after the famous Paris flight, and was chief of information for the Aeronautics Branch, Department of Commerce."

Published in the early '50s, its importance lies in its real-time tracking of the shifting U.S. official response to the widespread UFO phenomena of the time.

(V): To further bolster the point, the PNAC document, "Rebuilding America's Defenses," publishing September 2000 & laying out a strategy for future control of the Middle East (with the help of "a new Pearl Harbor"), is a Neo-Con document, many of whose contributors made it into Bush's White House and are duel Israeli-U.S. citizens.

I usually wake up to a lamblast or two from that fine gentleman. It is worrisome to find the board thus vacant of his sarcastic rebukes and I miss them. It's like being ready for a fight and having nothing to punch. lol :o)

Teasing, of course....but he usually has posted by now, or so I thought.

(V): "If that is true, then there needs to be a full investigation of 911 ASAP"

It is very true, and one of the dozens of reasons I and many others are calling for this full investigation. Lie detectors & subpoena power, absolutely.

Your point about Israel's influence on the U.S. is well made. This would seem to be part of a joint global for eventual world domination, beginning perhaps with the overthrow of the Arab regions. A full investigation, if truly unencumbered by White House & other pressure, would reveal plenty. And heads would roll.

WOOOOAHHHHH I am glad i put my rubber boots on because some post's get pretty deep I could be here all day reading or maybe week's lol:))))


As old RED alway's said GOD BLESS

saeco: "thats just ludacris.. feel free to convince me of the opposite."

An article in Foreign Policy Journal has the following:

"Baer also indicated that the 9/11 Commission Report had been a cover-up of what really happened and questioned why certain other oddities about 9/11 had not been investigated, such as “the famous white van”, which he said was “an intriguing story” that “deserves a book”.

"He was referring to the case of the five Israelis who were witnessed on 9/11 celebrating beside their white van at the sight of the smoking towers from a parking lot in New Jersey. They were later arrested and detained. Upon arrest, the driver of the van told the arresting officers, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”

"The van was registered to an Israeli-owned company called Urban Moving Systems, whose owner immediately closed shop and fled to Israel. At least two of the five Israelis witnessed videotaping and celebrating the attacks were learned to be operatives of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency."

This articles, entitled "High-Fivers and Art Student Spies: What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?" has more:

http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html

To find these, I just googled: "israeli art students celebrating wtc collapse on van"

There are plenty of related articles to sift through.

(V): Franklin D. Roosevelt:

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."

The question, as you seem to hint at, then becomes possibly more sinister, stated thus: Who controls the financial element?

President Clinton...

".. There is a government inside the government and I don't control it."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e4_1221312488

Recorded at the April 2008 X-Conference at the National Press Club, Washington D.C

saeco: Israel has interests in keeping the USA on it's side re UN resolutions, etc. Just think of the CIA and how it's worked over the last 50 years or so, or the KGB, and other organizations related to Intelligence. Our British Intelligence use to pass on info to Loyalists in Northern Ireland re IRA supporters or activists that they wanted removed.... The Loyalists would then kill these people.

"thats just ludacris.. feel free to convince me of the opposite."

Ok, this is what I've found on the matter so far......
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index.html

"May 7, 2002 | In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the "students" had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials."

"....... Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of "art student" encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to "DEA groups."

......"In some cases, the Israelis visited locations not known to the public -- areas without street addresses, for example, or DEA offices not identified as such -- leading authorities to suspect that information had been gathered from prior surveillance or perhaps electronically, from credit cards and other sources."....

".....The document detailing most of this information was an internal DEA memo: a 60-page report drawn up in June 2001 by the DEA's Office of Security Programs. The document was meant only for the eyes of senior officials at the Justice Department (of which the DEA is adjunct), but it was leaked to the press as early as December 2001 and by mid-March had been made widely available to the public."

Artful Dodger: It's inconsistent.....

It says..... "Following a 30-year trend of warming, global temperatures have flatlined since 2001 despite rising greenhouse gas concentrations, and a heat surplus that should have cranked up the planetary thermostat."

and then.... "This current cooling doesn't have one."

Flatlined or cooling, which is it?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then.....

"How does this square with temperature records from 2005-2007, by some measurements among the warmest years on record?"

and .... "When added up with the other four years since 2001, Swanson said the overall trend is flat,"

This to me confirms that the weather HAS got warmer over the last 3 years, also that misusing stats doesn't work. It'd be more accurate to use the 2008 temp figures to see how the current trend is going. Averaging out doesn't always give an accurate answer when dealing with trends.

The Usurper: So if Israel has a high level of spying in the USA, then from past knowledge of how certain aspects of spying work.. It would be fair to say some of your 'leaders' are being bribed, blackmailed, or if they are sympathetic.. basically working for Israel and not the USA.

"Also, a group of Israeli "art students," later discovered to be spies, were seen videotaping the planes striking the WTC from the top of a van on the New Jersey side of the Hudson...taping & cheering.

If that is true, then there needs to be a full investigation of 911 ASAP.

And I would insist that all people giving evidence have lie detectors attached to them... knowing that many that would be called are use to lying and can do so very well.

Czuch: when have we had a logical government ever?? Politics is not logical, it is a matter of opinion and belief. You've already stated that you are not entirely logical when it comes to thinking (re instinct aka gut feeling) so why presume our politicians are any different?

Czuch: So if Bin Laden was not responsible for 911, who is?

Artful Dodger: They over here changed the tax laws which affected the poor more then the rich. Brown was forces by the public uproar to amend the policy so that the poor did not lose out so much.

The America you know is in trouble, he's trying to fix it. Sure that might mean an increase in taxes in the short term, but TANSTAFL!!

If he fails, then your country will be in a bigger mess, even if the Repub's get in, it'll take a while for any new ideas or policies to come into effect. That's not a good idea, which may result in a longer recovery period.

And I don't see the problem with properly organised and regulated abortion. Better that then back street jobs like in the old days which resulted in baby and mother dying.

And to blame is ALL your governments that have refused or plain well couldn't be bothered to introduce proper regulation of your financial system.

Gordon Brown over here is facing a grilling over such lack of regulation, especially after we had a similar incident in the 80's (ie Black Monday) in which it was lack of regulation in the financial market and lack of regulation in certain aspects of the 'buying a house' market (guzumping [sp]) that caused the downfall back then. Also it must be noted that back then a boom system of fiscal policy was being used and like now.. the bubble burst.

How many times do we have suffer before the lessons are learnt?

The Usurper: I've used up my copy and paste privleges for the night anyway.    g'nite my antagonist friend  I'll set you straight someday. 

We keep winding up here, at the close of each day. But who knows (sinister pipe organ here) where the P-Board will lead us tomorrow.....

As always, enjoyable. Sleep well cuz I'll be coming back loaded for bear. :o)

The Usurper:Good analogy.  Johnson was a horrible President.  He is responsible for the deaths of thousands of young men in the armed services.  He knew we couldn't win, wouldn't win, and he escalated the war anyway.  Then he lied to the troops about our war effort and winning possibilities.  He was only trying to save face.  What an ass.

Artful Dodger: Ok, some consistency begins to emerge. Thank you. Let's look at Vietnam, for example. Nixon is rightly blamed for not ending it quickly enough. But Johnson, the corrupt Democrat, is the one who escalated it to full-scale war to begin with. Guilt spreads across the board, for many issues. Thus, my contention that we're watching Good Cop/Bad Cop smoke screens to keep us entertained while the guy in the shadows steals the loot.

The Usurper:I keep telling you it's the cows.  And no, O'Reilly doesn't blame the small guy.  He puts the blame where it belongs.  When corporations pollute, he's on them like....can't say that in here but it flies and is attracted to brown stuff. 

The Usurper:I expect stupidity from the democrats and they never disappoint.  But you're right.  The Republicans have dished out plenty of stupidity too.  Case in point is the rush to bail out the banks.  All idiots.  Let the banks fail.  My bank has lots of money cuz they didn't lend to people that had no ability to pay!  My home is paid off!  Not everyone was being stupid.  Bush lost my respect in his final years and the bank bailout was the final straw.  What a bunch of morons.  Billions gone and no one can account for much of it.  The economy is worse, and they are asking for yet more money.  Let them all fail!  Give money to the banks that are succeeding!  They know how to manage money!

Artful Dodger: Big business IS responsible for most of the pollution, the stripping of the earth, etc. I understand what O'Reilly means. He blames the small guy. What is new?

The Usurper:
  It's like my hero Bill O'Reilly says.  Even if global warming isn't caused by humans, don't be pinheads.  Keep the earth clean.  Don't pollute.  Be responsible.  You gotta love that kind of thinking.  Why add to the problems of pollution?  Bill says clean it up and do all you can to keep the earth healthy.  Good advice.  But the environmentalists won't have any of that.  They want to punnish big business even if they aren't responsible for any polution.  Robert Kennedy jr is the worst.  He's a radical nut if ever there was one.  He's truly wacked.  I think he smoked too much pot in his college days and is still on a high. 

Artful Dodger: Ok, here's a shot at a jumpstart. Say it with me....not only Democrats but also REPUBLICANS have gotten us into this mess! There, you can say it. And let's take it a step further...not only Democrats but also REPUBLICANS are endangering our freedoms, violating the Constitution, and generally interests alien to the common citizen. There, you can say it! Kick that door down.

The Usurper:If we killed all the cows of the world, we could all drive huge SUVs!  And Gore could keep his jets and huge house.  But then he'd be out of a job as propaganda minister for the environmentalists so it's best we breed the cows, eat them, and continue to let them fart us all out of existence.  However there is good news, science will likely harnass cow farts into a usable energy source. 

Artful Dodger: Those are interesting links & I'll admit there's some question about the whole thing, and some merit to the counter-position. One small complaint I have.....the font isn't big enough so it's hard for me to click on them. lol

The Usurper: hahahaha............

The Usurper:Let me help you kick it in 

Bernice: I love it when AD is right, too. That's why I have so much love stored up, just waiting...... ;o)

Bernice:  I have a puppet named Bosley Bunny and he's always getting in trouble for the things he says.  He's been banned in the library for a while.  It's funny, but AD is a lot like that little Bosley puppet and for some reason, I feel his presence tonight. 

Artful Dodger: "I just start with the obvious one: democrats, and go from there."

I'm still waiting for the last phrase in your statement to kick in. :o)

The Usurper:I've always recognized that someone had to be blamed.  I just start with the obvious one:  democrats, and go from there. 

Are the scientists and economists who ask these questions just a
fringe group, outside the scientific mainstream? Not at all. A 2003
survey of 530 climate scientists in 27 countries, conducted by Dennis
Bray and Hans von Storch at the GKSS Institute of Coastal Research in
Germany, found

• 82 percent said global warming is happening, but only

• 56 percent said it’s mostly the result of human causes, and only

• 35 percent said models can accurately predict future climate conditions.

http://www.heartland.org/NewYork08/newyork08.html

Hardly consensus. 


I tell ya, it's cow farts! 

"there
has been no net global warming since 1998.

"significant
new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis
of dangerous human-caused global warming."

Although some
blame global warming for seemingly
everything, according to others higher temperatures will increase
the amount of land that we can use to grow food, it will improve
people's health, and increase biological diversity.

I love being right about everything. 

Artful Dodger: If you recognize someone OUGHT to be blamed, that's a step forward. :o)

Artful Dodger: If you want to know the truth, I think a chance at real democracy (i.e., the republic) died at his death. That was when the Military-Industrial-Complex, that Eisenhower warned us about, asserted its clandestine rule.

I blame the democrats for the war in Iraq.  

The Usurper:
  He had a nasty last name.  Crappy one if you know what I mean. 

Artful Dodger: I knew Jack. Jack was a friend of mine. Etc. lol