Ferris Bueller: examples please

Tuesday: Then why do so many espoused Christians utilize the so-called "Old Testament" when it is convenient to condemn those who are different?  Many of them also use Revelations and John in the "New Testament" to promote intolerance of practitioners of other religions.

What Happened to the 400,000 Jobs Pelosi Promised after Healthcare ‘Reform’ Passed?
by SusanAnne Hiller
Back in February 2010, Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi promised the American people that approximately 400,000 jobs would be created due to the passage of the healthcare bill.

Remember Pelosi promised this:

Speaker Nancy Pelosi at the health summit: “It’s about jobs. In it’s life, it [the health bill] will create 4 million jobs — 400,000 jobs almost immediately.”

Well, it’s almost November and the economy still hasn’t gotten any better and we have no evidence of those jobs being created. I can only assume that she didn’t mean this either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaDtkG6afBc&feature=player_embedded

"There will be no earmarks in the bill (healthcare) that passes the house." N Pelosi

She raises her and and "swears" it.

Doesn't this just tick you Dems off to no end?

Tuesday: me too plus a couple of more

Tuesday: 40.... it's a matter of purification. Without the OT references.. how would anyone understand that?

Matthew
10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Tuesday: amongst other stuff.. including Genesis, why Jesus spent 40 days instead of 40 years in the wilderness, that God did not create creation first but a female side... etc, etc, etc.

Tuesday: Yes. It's excellent and I'll bet you like it. http://www.thenakedgospel.com/Default.aspx


It's really helped a lot of people get free from old teaching of the church (traditions etc) and emphasizes how we are not under the Old but under the New. (am not in any way suggesting you need to get away from old teaching. You seem to have a firm handle on what NT teaching really is about. That's why I think you'd appreciate this book).

Tuesday: ... the old law.. as in the rule of might?

Tuesday: Absolutely. BTW, have you read the Naked Gospel?

Artful Dodger: The Bible is not just the teachings of Christ.. if it was.. it'd just be the 4 Gospels. Nothing before.. nothing after.

It is not. To take stuff away just because you don't like it is a sin.

Tuesday:

Tuesday: Nope.. when they think the world is going to end and choose to be Christians just because of that.

Sad that some pray the world will end just to be in heaven.

Übergeek 바둑이: Give some examples where Christians and the teaching of Christ are behind this "scarier" stuff.

Übergeek 바둑이:

It may not be right to have an arsenal of nuclear weapons but it does seem necessary (as a deterrent). Is it against Christian teaching? Not really. The Bible doesn't address this but it does suggest that the State carries the sword for a purpose. Still it would be better if we could all live in peace. But we know that won't happen. Has it ever? .

Government do what governments do. That has little to do with the Christian faith. Murder is clearly wrong so if what you are suggesting is actual "murder" then it's wrong. But killing the bad guys isn't wrong. We could debate all day on who the bad guys are and I'd liklely agree with you on many points. But I'm speaking generally here - as a principle.

Al Qaida has killed far more than 3000. And in retrospect, Iraq was likely a mistake. Innocents do die in war. When that happens, it's a tragedy. But just because civilians died, that does not automatically mean that it was unjust. It could be unjust, but that civilians died isn't a sufficient factor in determining if the war was justified. Show me a war where civilians didn't die.

There is NOTHING in the Bible that speaks against wealth. It's not money that is evil. It's the love of it that leads people astray. But Jesus was not against people being rich. It's when people trust in their riches that God is not pleased.

You are right that Christianity has a history that is shameful in many cases. Men do shameful things in the name of many ideas.

"Jesus was a man who praised love and kindness above all. Christians are supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus. Those teachings go out the window when it comes to wealth and power."

No, they do not. They go out the window when those with wealth and power abuse that wealth and power over others. But wealth and power are not the enemies. I have power over my students and could abuse it. I don't. I consider myself a servant, as the Bible teaches. There are many people with lots of money that give give give. There are many people in power who actually are there to serve others. Sadly, this doesn't seem the norm. But that speaks to the evils of man and not the evils of power or money.

I really don't think you know what people think when they are in their homes. I certainly don't think the way you have protrayed people.

Artful Dodger: Aye... And the Samaritans story helps to reinforce your neighbour is EVERYONE.. even your enemy.

Tuesday: Revelations... but it's all in the end down to interpretation. That bit of Romans was more about those who call themselves Christians who are not. A problem even back then

Jim Dandy: neither am I... just I'm use to using the Bible with one core teaching in mind all the time.... "love"

Tuesday: Yes they do. And that's the problem. But clearly the message of Christianity can be summed up in this: Love thy neighbor.

Tuesday: So.. he slipped back to his old ways even after converting... figures!!

Übergeek 바둑이: Yes it does. But a realistic Christian will appreciate they will not go away overnight... unfortunately.

Tuesday: I'll take your word,I'm not a believer in any religion

Tuesday:

> If everyone followed the teachings there would be no war but not everyone is going to follow so what do we do to protect ourselves.

There is no solution because religion is a tool in the hands of the wealthy and the powerful. As long as there is religion there will be those who abuse it and exploit it for their own ends.

Communists tried to solve it by getting rid of religion completely. When the Soviet Union came into Afghanistan they tried to change that place, but between the CIA and Mujahideen the Soviet Union failed and now we have the Taliban and Al Qaida (both the Mujahideen's bastard children). Interestingly, at the time the US saw it as its duty to stop the Godless communists (obviously out of some sense of Christian duty).

The Communist solution (elimination of religion) was bound to fail because without religion people feel lost. People need to believe in something other than the physical world. Without God there is no salvation, and people fear death and non-existence more than anything else. It is that fear that is used by the powerful to manipulate the masses. "If you do what I, your religious leader, say, you will go to Heaven. If you don't, you will be damned in the fires of hell."

Christianity is not immune. And these days we replace religion with ideology. "If you don't go to war, your freedom and democracy will end and you will be condemned to anarchy and dictatorship." "If you don't go to war, socialism and the revolution will end and you will be condemned to capitalist exploitation and the abuses of the bourgeosie." It is all the same thing, fear packaged under different wording.

Tuesday: As I said, Romans was written by one of the followers of Christ. Paul.

Tuesday: yeah, Jews are suckers for bling bling

Tuesday: Didn't he send his son on a suicide mission?

Tuesday:

> Old Testament was scary times. That was before Christ.

The modern world is even scarier, and this is AFTER Christ!

This is a question for any good Christian out there:

Is it right for any country to have an arsenal of nuclear weapons? Does having those nuclear weapons (which could kill every living thing in this planet) contradict Christian teaching? After all, the biggest arsenals of nuclear weapons are in the hands of predominantly "Christian countries".

Is it right for any country to support fascist dictators, then have those dictators kill Communists? What about killing millions people in anticommunist wars (like Russia, Vietnam, Korea, certain wars in Africa and Latin America)? Can those actions be reconciled with Christian teaching?

Al Qaida killed 3000 in New York, and the Coalition of the Willing killed over 300,000 people in Iraq. Who can point the finger to whom? Can the killing of hundreds of thousands be reconciled with Christian teaching?

In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Western culture glorifies its billionaires and wealthy capitalists. Is there not a contradiction between that and the Sermon on the Mount?

I think Islamic Law is oppressive and wrong, specially the Sharia law that the Taliban is imposing in Afghanistan. However, for Christians to come and claim superiority is hypocritical in view of the history of Christianity and war. After all, Christianity is a religion that spread itself around the world through violence, brutality and cruelty. If you don't believe it look at how the indigenous peoples of the Americas were "converted" to Christianity.

Jesus was a man who praised love and kindness above all. Christians are supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus. Those teachings go out the window when it comes to wealth and power.

People go home and say to themselves "it has nothing to do with me, I am not the one who made nuclear bombs and went to war", but then, they voted into office those who made the bombs and went to war, and then paid for it with their tax dollars. They bury their heads in the sand of self-righteousness.

Jim Dandy: Dogs will eat anything!!

Tuesday: Romans in the NT, written by the Apostle Paul.

The world was violent in those times full stop.

(V): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNTUlsOYuPU&p=068D60FABD4B0849&playnext=1&index=3

Jim Dandy: Can't watch it.. Sony are blocking it from being shown in the UK

Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)