geeh,I never dreamed my 2 questions would provoke so much name calling.
being a non paying member,I appreciate what is given to entice me to join.I'm not bitching.I agree with the 1st paragraph of TTjazzberrys post of May24-17:16:24.it's exactly how I would have expressed it.depend on us for you entertainment,eh?bet you say that to all the boys...lol

some sites re free members:
1-limit # moves
2-limit game type access
3-limit tourny involvement
brainking does the 3rd type
this is perhaps the wisest for them,because the other 2 woulds slow things down for free & paying members.
I take it that I must wait for the tourny to end,I did not see a direct answer.
my second question was never answered.can paying members quit a tourny?what's the harm in knowing.will want to know when I sign up.

please lets all leave the name calling at the door.I know that I have played/talked to a lot of you people.and most of you are fairly bright & good spirited lets make an effort to treat each other descently.we can agree to disagree.

yes,you kiddies play nice,or I will take your toys away.jazz ,even the ones that take batteries[wink].

Yes I have read what you said, I just dont agree with your point of view. You said "Your statement that "we were all non paying members once" is just ridiculous. SO WHAT???????
WHat does that have to do with ANYTIHNG? . Again you have to resort to describing someones statements as "rediculous" when you dont agree instead of merely putting your side forth in a polite manner, but I'm used to your debating style by now so like water off a duck anyway. To answer your question, it has to do with EVERYTHING!, you see if you treat them right they may become paying members. There are many people who take the site for a test drive for a while before deciding, so you cant assume they will all join within 3 days like yourself.

On my other point you obviously misinterpreted what I meant, and maybe I didnt elaborate enough. By giving non paying members the best service possible I didnt say anywhere that they should recieve the "same" or "better" service as paying members, I merely meant they should get as good as service possible given their non paying status in order to entice them into paying for the enhanced service.

I still maintain there are people out there who can not afford to spend part of what little money they may have on a games site, but I know from your previous postings you dont agree so I'll leave it at that, but to blanket them all as "cheapskates" is totally off as far as I'm concerned, whether they post or not. Then you have the nerve to call my comment "asinine"...go figure, again I'm used to your debating and I guess I'm fortunate not to be called a moron once more.

TTJazzberry, I find your statements objectionable. First of all, I have made it very clear why I am down on non paying members, haven't you read anything I have written? They are paying nothing yet thye want their inconveniences alleviated or eliminated.

You are correct, BIg Bad wolf was discussing this, but it is the NON PAYING members who actually complain about it, since they are the ones affected.

Your statement that "we were all non paying members once" is just ridiculous. SO WHAT???????

WHat does that have to do with ANYTIHNG? For starters, I was a non paying member for about three days, at which time I paid for a membership, so I am not sure what your point is there. Additionally, when I was a non paying member, I did not write to Fencer or make posts on the message boards saying "Hey, I am not paying you anything, but I have a problem with X y and Z that I would like you to resolve."

Now, on to your next comment:

"From a business standpoint its smart to give non paying members the best service possible to entice them into becoming paying members."

I can only hope you are joking here, because this statement is asinine. If you give the NON PAYING members the BEST SERVICE POSSIBLE, then they would be getting better service than the PAYING members! WHY would you give those who pay NOTIHNG the BEST service possible? Maybe you can explain to me, FROM A BUSINESS standpoint (since you used that term) WHY anyone who is already getting the "best service possible" would consider paying for a membership?

I think the best way to entice people to get a membership is to give them a taste, but not the entire meal.

Non paying members get PLENTY. thye can play 20 games. they can enter a tournament. they can participate on the message boards.

What exactly is the problem? That isn't enough value for the cost of NOTHING that they are paying? Why should they get anything more? Why would that make them become PAYING members?????

The whole POINT of becoming a paying member is that you DON'T have to deal with these issues! If the existence of these "problems" are not enough to entice someone to pay up, WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE PAY UP AFTER being GIVEN what the paying members all had to PAY to receive?

The people who aren't paying for memberships but are asking for more features are CHEAP. It has not been my experience that a cheapskate stops being a cheapskate when you give him more than you are already giving him.

Obviously my last statement is oging to elicit responses of "some people can't afford a membership."

Save it, because we all know that's a load of crap. The non paying members choose to spend their money on other things that they obviously deem more important, yet they want to have similar benefits to those of us who have deicded that a membership is what we would rather spend our money on.

I'm not sure why your always so down on non paying members, I'm sure they dont all feel that way, we were all one once. From a business standpoint its smart to give non paying members the best service possible to entice them into becoming paying members so they may enjoy the enhanced service and priviledges that come with membership. Thats what helped me decide to become a member.

"I believe this is really unfair to the unpaid players who play there games regularly -"

how can anything possible be unfair to the unpaid members? They aren't PAYING anything. That they get anything at all sounds very fair to me.

Again, if the tournamnet limitations are that much of a problem for a non-paying member, there is a simple solution.......

Yet, for whatever reason, non-paying members are under some delusion that all their inconviences should be alleviated.

Clever, thats crappy that you have to keep waiting on him like that. Sounds like a silly mind game to me, but as the old saying goes "small things amuse small minds". Lets hope your opponent see's this gripe about the topic and keeps to the game at hand.

I asked a similar question when I first came to the site before I became a paid member, and I have seen similar messages from others since then.

And basicly the only answer I ever see is "o'well.... unless you want to become a paid member, you have to wait for all the others to finish their games in that section of the tournament before you can join a second tournament." I believe this is really unfair to the unpaid players who play there games regularly - since a paid member could hold up a tournament an extra 40+ days if they use all their weekends & vacations. Add to that if they use all there time for each move - they could extend a tournament up to 4-6 months... and depending on the game time limit, maybe even longer!

Hopefully if Fencer see enough people who have this problems, maybe he will try to at least change it somehow.

:-)

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

...I have a question.I posted a message to hannilore about this,just as my webtv went "stunned".so I dont know if she got it.thought this might be a better venue to ask.anyway..
I am in hannilores tank battle tourny.
I confess,I have not done well.and now in the last game with Boondoogle.I have 3 times waited until the last hour before he times out,to see that he finally made his move.watching his profile,I see he appears to be waiting out several the same way.I think this practise is perverse,holds things up unneccessrily.
reagrdlessly,I resigned the game,with the hope of trying another tournament.being a non full member(that will change ,I'm becoming addicted too)I am limited to one tourney.
but it appears that I cant get out of the tourney until it is finished..so my questions thus:
can a non full member quit a tourny?
can a full member quit a tourny?
if so please tell me how.
perhaps the mechanism for tournys does not allow this.

ArtfulDodger's Backgammon For U1600 players :)

Artful's "Let's get loopie" Loop Chess!

Need 8. 5 slots left. come play the craziest chess game that is loads of fun!

Have 3, close when we have 6. Come play!

Thanks sundance...

..Yes the five-in-a-line world cup would be a great one too..as long as we, the UK, can avoid Finland until the final, otherwise we could go out! :) No seriously, it would be great fun for all countries in every game type played on here...The world cup should be the biggest tourny on here and could be held say once or twice a year, depending on the response it could be more...this site is rapidly growing, and who knows in 10 years this world cup could be phenomenal with ALL the best board game players from around the world from which ever site they play at attending this one special anual event!!

:)

Spiderman: a great idea you came up with.
Team tournaments between different countries would be quite interesting in many game types.
Interfellowship tournaments would be a way to do it easily (after that feature is added).

I did actually mention a 'world' cup in my original message...as in ALL countries from around the world! I just used the UK & US as an example if there was not enough 'world' wide interest. Yes you should get a team together from Canada...it would be very interesting and most of all it would be great fun wouldnt it??

:)

lol what about those of us not from USA or UK? :-)

This is a great site, Im gonna join it in the summer after my exams are over...I would like to create my own tournaments...does anyone know if its possible to create a 3/4 man team tourny? e.g. Say at spiderline4, I would like to set up a world cup / ryder cup stlye tourny with 3/4 people representing their country! They each play each opponent in the match twice & whichever team has the most points wins the match, therefore progresses into the next stage! If theres not enough countries wanting to take part, then I know just the U.K. versus the U.S.A. would be a great battle alone at spiderline4! there are many excellent players from these two countries alone!

just a thought for you! :)

SPIDERMAN

Congratulations to netvenus for winning the ArtfulDodger's Backgammon Tourney with a score of 6 of 7!!! Way to go!! And hooray for Artful Dodger for coming in last place!!! ;)

Yes. Your Settings / Calendar values are applied on all games.

To all -

I've thought about all of this some more and have decided on two things for the big Pente / Keryo Pente tournament:

1. I'm going to go ahead and put June 7th as the end of sign up. This is because I'm also going to advertise it some at www.pente.org and www.itsyourturn.com. I want players to have plenty of time to see the advertisement and if they are new to this site, have time to come here, create an I.D., and get comfortable with the site before playing in the tournament.

2. I'm going to change the time control from 3 to 4 days. This is because for a large tournament like this, there is a good chance that there will be one or more sections that will have 8 players in them which means that at least some players will have 14 games for this tournament going at once.

Also, I want to make all non-members aware of the situation here at Brain King. Since a player could potentially have 14 games going at once for this tournament and the max for a non-member is 20 games, in order to play in this tournament, you will need to be down to 6 current games in order to play in the tournament.


Gary

To all -

I'm afraid that I messed up on the Pente/Keryo Pente tournament that I set up. Please forgive me because I usually check everything before setting up something big like this.

I appreciate Kevin's comment on the Pente discussion board and it alerted me to the fact that I set the tournament up wrong. It was my intent to set the tournament up for 2 games for each 2 players and I was almost sure that I looked right at that before creating the tournament. Unfortunately the default is 1 game for 2 players and I somehow interpreted that incorrectly to mean 2 games for each 2 players. I would never want to run a serious tournament with only 1 game between each 2 players. I have attempted to edit the tournament to change that and it won't let me change that option.

It seems as though I have NO choice but to delete the tournament and create a new one. Unfortunately 10 players have already signed up for the Pente one and 3 for the Keryo Pente one.

Sometime this evening, I'll delete this tournament and create a new one. I'll also post this message on all 3 message boards that I did before and send a personal message to each of the players that had signed up for this one informing them of what happened and to sign up for the new one. I'll also change the end of sign-up from May 31st to June 7th. Perhaps that will allow some players to finish up some games or tourneys as needed in order to enter the tournament.

I hope that this will not create problems in the Brain King system. In other words, I hope that once I delete the tournament, it will 'clear out' the fact that non-members had signed up for a tournament so that they can sign up for the new one. If you have problems signing up for the new tournament after having been allowed to sign up for the erroroneous one, please let me know about the situation and I will forward an explanation about it to Fencer.

I'm sorry about the problem and thanks, Kevin, for bringing it up.


Gary

Come join us for some serious fun in the Spring 2003 open Pente / Keryo Pente championship tournament.

I would like to make this a fairly large tournament (minimum 10 players for each game) that continues moving along without waiting for long time controls. (3 days/move)

I will be looking to start these once/quarter and to eventually run sectional tournaments as more players obtained established ratings in Pente and Keryo Pente.

See all the specifics at the tournament. May 31st is the last day to sign up.


Gary

I've been trying to get into a tournament game of Anti Line 4, but usually not enough people sign up. I like to play many different games, at least a couple of times.

SO - This is an invatation to anyone who would like to at least try a game of Anti Line4 - Please check out THIS TOURNAMENT and sign up for Anti Line4 if you would like to give it a try.

I'm hopeing to get at least 4 people into that tournament so we can play it - and if anyone else would like to at least try to play the game - now is a good chance to get in and give it a try! ☺

Done.

Well 67542 and 67543... They didn't time out on my end, but my opponent's. I don't know if that makes a difference. But I would like to continue them! :-)

Sure, give me the game IDs.

Hey Fencer, are the timed out games going to be re-instated since the site was down for so long tonight?

Good luck to everyone who joined Pattymelts Tourney!

For anyone interested in a fast tournament, I have created a 1 day Halma 10 by 10 tournament, maximum 6 players, which means the tournament will probably only be one round. Who likes those long drawn out tournaments anyway?

ThAnkS runningwolf :-)))))

I hope all the sign ups will put a big Smile on Patty's face I Would have signed up for Halma but i am Lousy at that but i Did sign up for Chess!!

Great DreamBear :-))))))

Just read your message here & joined up for the halma 10x10 tourney. hoping Patty gets to be back with us very soon . I enjoyed chatting & playing games with her as did many others here did too.

A BIG HUG for all the sign ups!! ((((PLAYERS))))))

The teams that need some more players are especcially the Chess Variations & Halma 10x10

Patty will be very pleased! :-)

:-) thank you x

Done.

One is "the first eddie spahgetti fast tourney (Horde Chess)", the other was due to start in March but hadn't been started by the creator, so I could remove myself from that.

harley: Please send me the tournament names, I will check it out.

Fencer, on my profile under 'tournaments signed' there are a couple still there that didn't start because not enough people signed up. The rest of the tournament is either ongoing or finished, is there any way to get rid of these? It looks like I have more tournaments waiting to start than there actually is!

Bry: Don't worry, I didn't forget about them :-) I will post more information later.

Big thanks to all who have signed up to play in Patty's tourney!
Just need a few more sign ups for some games in order to get the minimum of 4 per to start...

Thanks again all. Patty will be pleased!!!

Yeah, I would like to know that too, not complaining in anyway, a rough heads-up on new features etc would be nice.

Fencer,

Have you any idea when these "team" tournaments between fellowships will be finalised?, just not heard anything about them for a while.....

Cheers,

Bry.

Now avaliable for sign ups.
All welcome.
Starts Fri 9th May.
:o)

but thAnks for all the other signUpS :-)))

Hmm, I asked for that!! LOL, ok, I'll go look!! :o) Count me out for the halma 10x10 though, I'm not keen on that!!

LOL Harley :-) sign up for all!! ;D

I signed up for Halma 10x10 and I am all alone there.. I have seen a couple of games where there are only 1 or 2 players.. just check out the list - hopefully that are games you are willing to play :-)

Thanks for your observative action, harley!!

Any particular games need more players Josetta? I've signed up for a few already but if you're short...

Thanks EVERYONE for joining the tourny for Patty!! :-) GlAd so many peeps are playing.. I sent her a card yesterday telling her also about this tourny.. I do just pray each day she isn't that bad nor in any pain..

Thanks a Mill again and... we actually can use mOre players! :-)

SilentBob is the winner of my second prize tourney.. very well done... payment for your membership has been made to fencer, so as soon as he is able, he will make you a brain knight member here... enjoy it!!