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Tuesday: I'm trying to let them know how wrong I think it is to hit on him like they do (he's young, really young), but they think it's gonna make him tougher in the long run.....I tried telling them what a "special adoption" dog (like mine) is like, but I don't think they get it. I believe my dog will probably never trust me fully (she's got real issues), but at least I know that she'll never let a human hurt her again. Other than a phone call or two? .....

4. September 2007, 18:17:07

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Tuesday: I'm also amazed by how much abuse some animals will take at the hands of a human. The people who's dog I watched (?) also hit him all the time. This dog could literally fit my entire forearm in his mouth, yet he lets them beat on him. My present shelter-dog doesn't even take being yelled at, she comes right at me, without a second thought. I guess she had too, too many of those beatings at somebody's hands

But I still love her, just like one of my kids, she's got her own quirks

4. September 2007, 18:02:07

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Tuesday: I'm not the type to put "domesticated" animals into the wild, exact opposite actually(besides we've got black bears in the woods here), people bring me animals that were once someone's "pet" and ask me to take em in all the time

But I do feed quite a few "once-owned" cats all through the winter, I've seen too many dead from being left like that to fend for themselves

I don't get why some people bother to get a pet if all they do is wind up throwing it outdoors and make it homeless - not EVERY shelter is a "kill" shelter

4. September 2007, 17:52:44

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Tuesday: They are home now (Thank Goodness) & I know exactly what you mean about the "Set them free!" - I've been tempted to myself plenty of times (including this past weekend, it took alot to just not take him WAY into the forest, and hope for the best for him, but I didn't)

1. September 2007, 04:31:28

https://secure2.convio.net/dow/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=791&s_einterest=C4&JServSessionIdr006=8h2sg324w1.app27a

Subject: hope the link works

Modified by anastasia (1. September 2007, 04:33:32)

PLEASE click this link and sign the petition!! Help save these wonderful animals!!!

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1. September 2007, 02:39:04

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

wetware: I think toys and especially pet food is marketed to people not animals.You look at some of the titles of some of the choices like "grilled beef" or "salmon pate" "thanksgiving dinner" "london broil" I'm not making these up,it's so silly

1. September 2007, 00:46:04

wetware

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

Jim Dandy: I couldn't agree more. The

here seem to have more fun with plain boxes and paper bags than with most of their designed toys--and they've got plenty of those. I might be their favorite plaything of all, though.

1. September 2007, 00:41:56

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

Thanks for all the input & they aren't really friends of mine, just work acquaintances - if they were friends, I'd tell em off.....He made it thru the day, but I feel SO BAD leaving him like that. Not only is he stuck in a lay-down position (he's BIG, a shepherd), but it was very warm in their place when I went in after work (they have two cats, who are fine, but they are also not in cages). I gave him a good thirty minute or so walk after work, took him off-leash to run a bit in a nearby field, but then had to put him back in his crate. I did give him some treats from home when I left, but I still feel terrible leaving him like that. I wanted to stay and keep him company longer, but my own doggie was waiting at home to go pee. Hopefully tomorrow their relative will get here, I really don't want to do this all weekend, it just doesn't seem right.

31. August 2007, 19:43:35

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

srnity: I don't think..espeacially at 100+ pounds that they should be in a crate for 12 hours at a time..when you go over,are they being walked at least an hour so they can strech their legs and get some excercise? I don't understand WHY people think it is OK to do this to animals instead of just bording them at a reputable place where they could be outside playing and just being dogs.How about if we put THEM in a crate for 12 hours at a time with no food,water,or toys to occupy their time.

31. August 2007, 19:31:38

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

Modified by The Col (31. August 2007, 19:32:27)

rod03801: I feel sorry for people who invest in elaborate toys bought at pet stores only to find their pets prefer more simple items.Another favorite is the laser pointer a friend brought them a few years back.I can sit back and let them go nuts chasing it instead of risking hip replacement surgery running around the house with a bobble attached to a string

31. August 2007, 19:20:14

Subject: check this out...pretty cool

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31. August 2007, 18:11:34

Adaptable Ali

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

Jim Dandy: I have 3 cats, and the 2 boys ( brothers) will only drink out of the tap in the bath, if i go to use the bathroom, they rush straight in there, jump in the bath adn wait for me to turn the tap on, and they queue up, so Dexter first with Oliver waiting behind him.......it is soooooooooo funny to watch.

31. August 2007, 18:09:03

Adaptable Ali

I was watching a report on the news last night, about people who flush used cat litter down the toilet. Please do not do this, as cats carry a parasite in their faeces (sp) , which actually ends up in the sea water through the sewage and is now starting to make ill and kill, dolphins , whales and porpoises.

31. August 2007, 16:32:25

rod03801

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

Jim Dandy: LOL that's funny. My cat is the same way. She is OBSESSED with the plastic seal things on milk things. (LOL, horrible description, but I don't know if they have a name!.. You know? those things you pull off of gallons of milk?) She KNOWS when I'm opening a new one and comes RUNNING and will meow at me until I toss it in the air for her to jump and catch.

31. August 2007, 13:33:42

Dolittle

Subject: Tap water!

My little dog got stones in her bladder and had to have surgery from drinking tap water. There are so many minerals etc. in tap water so mine get that Brita filtered water too!

31. August 2007, 11:18:15

Ewe

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

srnity: Hi, you are very kind to look after your friends dog for them.
12 hours does sound like a long time for the dog to be left in the crate though.
My advise would be to leave a bowl of water & a couple of toys in there for him to play with. Preferably a toy to chew to keep him busy & stop him getting bored?
Do they usually leave him in there over night? If so atleast he is used to the crate for longer periods.
Hope thats a little bit of help.

31. August 2007, 06:44:41

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

srnity: So far neither have gone overboard,but we do now know why the kitty litter ended up in the bowl

31. August 2007, 06:39:24

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

Jim Dandy: LOL - how cute - anybody ever fall in? I had a friend that had a male cat who actually went potty in the toilet (but he couldn't flush it) & the same cat would play "fetch" with bottle caps. Even tho I was highly allergic to him, I'd watch him anytime, he was an awesome animal

31. August 2007, 06:33:39

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

srnity:

we have a brita water jug just for them,but they prefer the toilet.The same with toys,one of my girls has about 3 bottled water boxes scattered around our living room,they don't go for store bought jungle gyms or toys.We have some pics of both of them butt up face first in the toilet,my usual refrain as I see them is "hungover again"

31. August 2007, 06:25:39

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

Jim Dandy: I guess if cats do it, then it's okey. Even tho I'm not a cat person, I've always thought that cats are smarter than dogs (i.e. they don't do things like walk out into the road when there's a car moving on it, they can hunt for food if they're starving). My dog is so pampered that she gets filtered tap water, and if it's not really cold, she won't drink it...plus I put those bleach tab things in the toilets in my house, so it wouldn't be drinkable anyway

31. August 2007, 06:14:40

Subject: Re: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

srnity: Both my girls drink from the toilet,that's why we flush twice.They seem to like to do it right after it's been used,I have a feeling it is more ritual based than a thirst thing

31. August 2007, 06:11:25

Subject: Dog In "Crate/Cage" Question

I just got saddled with taking care of a couples 100+ lbs. dog for a day or so while they are away vacationing (until their relative gets here) & it's in a crate/cage. I've never put a dog in one so I'm new to this. After I walk him, I'm supposed to let him eat his food (and drink out of the toilet - gross - but that's what they said to do) & then put him back in his cage. My concern is that it's going to be a good twelve hours or so before I get back to their house again, and he's not going to have any food or water in his cage to tide him over till I get back. Is that normal to leave them in one of those things without anything to eat, drink, or do? I used to have to block my present shelter dog in the kitchen/bathroom/hallway area when I left for work (even tho she was an adult, she wasn't housetrained yet - she is now), but she had food and water dishes, toys, blankets, bones, music to listen to, whatever I could come up with to occupy her mind/time. All this poor guy has is a cage to lay in. Do other people do this too? I'd bring him to my house, but he's a REALLY big boy, he could do some damage to her if they went at it & I don't know if he'd damage my home. Any ideas/thoughts/comments on what to do?

31. August 2007, 01:15:28

Mousetrap

Subject: Re: Gift

Jim Dandy: Good idea!

31. August 2007, 00:07:01

Ewe

Subject: Re:

Tuesday: its just like this

http://www.staywell.co.uk/pages/small.php

30. August 2007, 23:49:54

Ewe

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Tuesday: yes its great, no problem if Im out all day or through the night etc.
Its a little bit draughty in winter but not too bad as the flap is ridged plastic & fits flush.

30. August 2007, 23:42:32

Ewe

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Tuesday: I have a cat flap fitted into my back door so she just comes and goes at her own leisure

30. August 2007, 23:36:12

Ewe

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Tuesday: Yes I know what you mean, cat litter boxes stink!!! My other cat who has now died used to have a litter tray..YUK!! cleaning them out

My other cat doesnt have one, she digs neat little holes in one corner of the garden! Much better.

LOL yes Im with you there about the bathroom

30. August 2007, 23:14:10

Ewe

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Tuesday: If I lived close I would bring my cat round, shes an excellent ratter & is litter trained!

30. August 2007, 05:25:57

Papa Zoom

Subject: Re: Rats

srnity: The Oregon coast is quite beautiful. I've not been to far east or south but have managed Texas, Arizona, and Georgia. But I've been to Mt. Saint Helens.

And speaking of animals, we have some great wildlife here.

30. August 2007, 05:04:10

Subject: Re: Rats

Tigger: My three favorite states thus far - Pennsylvania (obviously), Oregon, and North Carolina - in that order.....but I've yet to see Alaska, I have a feeling that'd be high on my list too :)

30. August 2007, 04:53:15

Papa Zoom

Subject: Re: Rats

srnity: totally beautiful here. Even winter has its beauty.

30. August 2007, 04:11:08

Subject: Re: Humans are a big problem to us mice. There are just far too many of them in my opinion. However I do have friends who say that I should live and let live.

anastasia: The link worked - ummmmm, there's no delicate way to say this - we've had snakes as pets in the past (not my choice) & since then I have a REALLY hard time killing anything (bugs included - I usually wait till they're too weak to argue, then put them outdoors to die, or trap em and let nature do it for me). I live in a very rural area where every winter morning before work, not only do you have to clear and warm up the car, but check to make sure nothing living is sleeping either under it or inside the hood, trying to stay warm (er). The one thing I know from living here is give no animal a "food source" and they don't stay. And I guess I'm blessed that as a family, things are kept clean, except my kids rooms, but nobody eats in bedrooms in my house, so, yeah, a mouse or two from time to time is okey.....they've never stayed for long anyway, they'd rather be outdoors

30. August 2007, 04:05:53

Subject: Re: More than welcome

Modified by The Col (30. August 2007, 04:06:23)

Mousetrap: Gee mouse,the way this conversation is going I wouldn't blame you if you left a "gift" on the doorstep of a few posters

30. August 2007, 03:50:27

Subject: Re: Humans are a big problem to us mice. There are just far too many of them in my opinion. However I do have friends who say that I should live and let live.

srnity: <span>www.p2pays.org/ref/14/13187.pdf hope this link works...it kind of groosed me out about the certain amount of mouse hair being permitted in the food...eeewwww.

<span> You REALLY DON'T MIND if there is a mouse or 2 living in your house??? really??

30. August 2007, 03:42:36

Subject: Re: Humans are a big problem to us mice. There are just far too many of them in my opinion. However I do have friends who say that I should live and let live.

anastasia: As for this coming winter, one or two are welcome to set up camp, but no families, I've learned my lesson well with how quick they take over

My kids did more homework that fall than I've ever seen them do, cause I was cleaning, re-organizing, and painting like a mad-woman after I took on the "mouse encampment" that year - never again

30. August 2007, 03:34:06

Subject: Re: Humans are a big problem to us mice. There are just far too many of them in my opinion. However I do have friends who say that I should live and let live.

anastasia: Ewwww, ewwww, ewwww, no

Do they all have a bad prostrate, or urinary tract infection, or what? - LOL - I've never been told that by a Vet & trust me, I've taken just about every pet to one from snake to bunny and babies. I've had rabbits as pets (and they're in the lovely rodent family that has to "poo" like a machine), but one was actually litter-box trained & the other two got to live in the yard (till the neighborhood stray cats called them lunch). You've peeked my curiousity on this one, I've gotta go check it out. I know that male cats that aren't fixed leave urine traces everywhere they go, but I didn't know that rodents did that too.....Thank God I'm a "bleach-freak"

30. August 2007, 03:20:06

Subject: Re: Humans are a big problem to us mice. There are just far too many of them in my opinion. However I do have friends who say that I should live and let live.

srnity: Did you guys know that as mice and rats travel through out your house,they leave traces of urine behind along EVERYTHING that they touch? ALOT OF URINE TOO.. So even if you don't "see" evidence of them,if they have been out and about..in you kitchen,which,if they were living in the fan,I think they ventured out a few times to look for food,every surface they touched had urine on it.Thats why,as cute as Gus-Gus was..I knew he had to go.

30. August 2007, 02:40:15

Subject: Re: Rats

Tigger: I've been to Oregon & Northern Cali - beautiful country

30. August 2007, 02:36:52

Papa Zoom