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30. October 2007, 21:08:51
CryingLoser 
Subject: Re: Checkers again
Gabriel Almeida: Here i would agree more with Ferjo, that we should be more patient. The prob on this site were the instable connections in the last days, and it's clear that this would have priority. Now the connection to Brainking is working as good as ever, and the next things on fencer's Todo-List would be done, hopeful some work in rule-description included.

Ferjo: When it is allowed that one can make a second
Brainking account, for family members or whatever, then our prob can be solved easily: we create simply a second account, and play nonrated Turkish Checkers games with our first account, so we can check up by experience which rule is appended and which is not,
without have to get this experience by surprise in a rated game.

30. October 2007, 13:07:16
CryingLoser 
Subject: Re:
Ferjo: In more than one aspect Turkish Checkers seems to be singular, not omly the written rules, but also
http://brainking.com/en/UserAgreement
seem not to be appended here, where else you can find a player who plays against himself, see
Turkish Checkers (recepdb2 vs. recepdb)

27. October 2007, 23:33:27
CryingLoser 
Subject: Re:
Ferjo:
>Seems the game was erased... Reason?!?!?!?!?

On 22 Oct. i wrote Fencer the following mail:
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Subject: Game ID 2837052

Hello Filip,

in the game ID 2837052 the rules (priority of King capture) are changed. The last move of White would be not possible with the known rules.
Since it is fair that a game should be ended with the same rules it started, please erase this game.
*******************************************************************

From Fencer i got no reply. All i can see is like you that
the game is erased. It seems to be more probably that
the game is erased by Fencer, than to be erased by a bug, and if so, then we can guess that the rules are changed, but don't ask me if they are changed to the rules Tutagil regards as the "right" ones (with maximum captures etc etc.) or is just the King capture priority is removed; also i cannot answer open questions to some
refinents i mentioned, so if a King may after capture turn 180 degrees and continue capturing; if in the case a checker promotes to a king, the turn is over, or the new born king can continue capturing opponent pieces.

After the erasing of the game Adana invited me, and
as a sportsman i accepted, although the rules are so poorly described that i don't know which rules are valid.

Like you, i have no problems if we play according to the
"Tutagil rules", according to the "Fencer rules", or whatever rules should be valid, for me it's only important to know from the first move of a game which rules are appended and that this rules don't change until the end of a game.
Now i play with Adana assuming the "Tutagil rules" are valid, let's hope no other surprise is waiting...

22. October 2007, 14:03:46
CryingLoser 
Subject: Re:
Undertaker, Gabriel, Ustica, thank you.
Have written to Fencer to erase this game. Hope he will answer in the next days, before i am forced to make the next move not to lose by time.

21. October 2007, 20:17:06
CryingLoser 
Subject: Re:
ustica tnp:
Oh my!!!
Fencer has stealthy modified the rules!
King capture seems not longer to have priority!
Before some minutes, White made move #11 that was not allowed with King capture priority.

Before one year, i suggested that a game should be ended with the rules it started, for this time it could have
another name, i.e. "Turkish Checkers Old" or something similar. It's exciting to start a game, to reach a winning position and then after a hidden rules change to look
upon a lost position :-( What a sh*t!

21. October 2007, 10:40:35
CryingLoser 
Subject: Re:
Tutagil:
Learned this game on a trip in Greece when i was
9 years old, played often with people from Turkey and from Greece, and was surprised that players didn't agree with the interpretation of the rules: a Greek player
thought that a King may after capture turn 180 degrees and continue capturing; a Turkish player had the opinion, that after a checker promotes to a king, the turn is not over, but the new born king can continue capturing
opponent pieces. Until today, i don't know of a comittee that ever defined "official" Turkish Checkers rules.

The Brainking rule of the priority of King capture is new, however it allows very sharp tactic, see game Turkish Checkers (Adana 01 vs. CryingLoser)
where in Turkish Checkers variants without move priority the move 8...e6-f6! would have been a blunder, but here after 9.e4xe6xe8 f6-e6 10.e8xe5xa5 d6-d5 White has to capture with the King, 11.a5xe5, and with 11...f5xd5xd3xb3xb1 Black gets advantage.

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