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8. February 2008, 23:25:36
coan.net 
Who keeps on saying that the slowness of the site is the user fault? I thought it has been clear that what seems to be the main problem is the connection between the user and the site - which because each user / each area connect to the site with a different connection, speed differences will be different for each user.... but yet I keep reading how people keep saying that they were told it was the users fault. Other then checking settings, checking to make sure you don't have spyware - there is little for BK to do other then change server locations.... and little for users to do other then change settings to see what works best for them. [I'm not defending the site or slowness - I have the same slow connection that most others do - but I know it is not my fault - and it's not BK's fault - it is just a product of the internet - how international lines are ran - how computers find their way through all those wires to find the final destination.]

8. February 2008, 23:15:00
beach 
Subject: Re: Slow
Rose: well put Rose I agree with you 100% was going to post to Jim's message, when I saw it, but figured there is no point, its been worse for me this week too, although I do think for the majority of us at least the people who I play and speak with most are just tired of repeating the same old problem, getting the same old response, and then getting one of the few who it works good for to point us to the all entry where it is all our fault not this site, as for the lighter version I tried it, the improvement was so small so I switched back to what I previously had. Many people that I play say they are just decreasing their games and becoming pawns they are just so fed up with the whole situation.

8. February 2008, 22:00:12
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Slow
Rose: hahaha.....actually the "certain people" who are called "troll" and "told to go elsewhere" have their own names for the owner but in general are too polite to say them....The ignorance and arrogance are "par for the course" and are expected from someone who thinks they are far better than the rest. Only time will tell .......

8. February 2008, 20:35:51
Rose 
Subject: Re: Slow
Jim Dandy:Have to agree. Its pointless for anyone to complain though. Why arent all other sites slow? Why only this one? WHY is it our fault? I will never understand that as long as it keeps being repeated. When I first thought it was my machine months ago I replaced just about everything. Then realized it was HERE not ME and I gave up. It isnt just a few people that are going through this. It is a very large number of paying members, most wont speak up openly about it after reading so many negative replies ( who wants to be called a troll by a site owner? I dont!)
 Doesnt matter how many ppl try to explain how slow it is for them or complain it seems it will always be our fault because it works GREAT for some.  (I dont think youll find it working GREAT for a large majority of folks in North America though, maybe in Europe or Czech )
Someone was nice enough to tell me if I didnt like it to leave. My analogy is if you buy a car and it doesnt work right do you leave it by the side of the road? No you ask for it to be fixed.

8. February 2008, 19:33:05
Mousetrap 
Subject: Re: lightweight version
Summertop Even the lightweight version is loading blank white pages for me now and I have to keep reloading.

8. February 2008, 18:34:37
The Col 
Subject: Re: Slow
coan.net: I'm pretty much spent in regards to discussing the issue,worn out basically,but regardless of my lack of knowledge regarding the finer points of the wonderful world of computers,I just don't buy the theory that the issues originate from the players end.If they did,this wouldn't be a unique issue on the web,and I travel all over the place online

8. February 2008, 18:20:26
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Slow
Jim Dandy: That does not sound like a good one to compare the site with. Something like "making the car more streamlined" is what the lightweight version does.

It's the same car (site), but with less drag (data) being driving (sent), it will speed up the car (site) some. It won't fix the issue of the car (site) being underpowered (slow), but should help some.

8. February 2008, 18:16:43
Hrqls 
Subject: Re: Slow
Jim Dandy: unless when that costs too much

8. February 2008, 18:15:22
The Col 
Subject: Re: Slow
coan.net: A certain player, who shall remain nameless,provided the best assessment I've yet heard regarding the state of the site speed.

"you don't rip all the seats out of a car because it is underpowered, you get one with a bigger engine"

8. February 2008, 17:59:04
Summertop 
Subject: Re: Slow
coan.net, Thanks, most of the settings I had already changed for faster performance. I was not using the "Lightweight" version...so far it seems to be better.

8. February 2008, 17:41:12
coan.net 
Subject: Re: Slow
Summertop: A few tips which can help (not solve) the slowness.

1. Check out this post of mine: Computers (coan.net, 2007-03-12 20:16:01)

2. In settings, there is now an option called "Use the "lightweight" version of BrainKing (disables many extra features but could speed up loading of pages)"

The above 2 helps some.... that is instead of 20+ seconds per page load, more like 1-5 seconds per page load for me most of the time.

plus if you want more detail, you can take a look at Fencers blog entry about it: http://brainking.info/archives/414-About-the-complexity-part-1.html

8. February 2008, 17:37:16
gogul 

8. February 2008, 17:31:05
Brian1971 
Subject: Re: Slow
Summertop: I play on a webtv so I can lie down while I play games. I get messages such as publisher refuses access to the page. I can usually click continue and get there but sometimes I get a blank white screen instead. There is definitely something wrong here.

8. February 2008, 17:18:06
Summertop 
Subject: Slow
OK...I looked for a "Support" forum and didn't find it (maybe Fencer should add one). So, I am posting here. Hope I am not offending anyone.

I have been a paid member of Brainking for a while now and have loved the site. But lately, it is running REALLY slow for me. I have been dealing with it, but was thinking maybe someone could help me out.

1. Pages will sometimes take 35 seconds to load. This makes playing games, tedious.

2. I have cleared every cache I could think of.

3. I have tried multiple browsers. IE and Firefox behaved the same. So I downloaded and installed Opera (has never been on my computer). It behaves the same also.

4. I have tried other websites, and they respond just fine.

5. I have tried from multiple locations (work, home) with the same results.

6. I have tried multiple computers with same result.

So...anyone have any more suggestions? It's like have a little rock in your shoes, no big deal, but DRIVING ME CRAZY!

6. February 2008, 11:45:58
MadMonkey 
Subject: Re:
Fencer: lol, well its half a request then, as part of it is already there, more of a Feature Extension or Add-on (gets more like Firefox everyday lol).

6. February 2008, 11:43:47
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
MadMonkey: Then it is a feature request, not a bug. But I am aware of it now.

6. February 2008, 11:32:13
MadMonkey 
Subject: Re:
Modified by MadMonkey (6. February 2008, 11:32:46)
pauloaguia: So there it is, i could not see it

Though i do not understand Fencers reply:
Status changed to "not a bug".

If it should name both tournaments, the label would say "Open Team Tournaments".


So, why should it NOT name both Tournaments, after all the other one is a Team Tournament for the Random Team as well

6. February 2008, 11:23:48
pauloaguia 
Subject: Re:

6. February 2008, 10:38:29
MadMonkey 
I will post this here, as i posted it as a bug and now its gone

On our main Fellowship page (where Members & Teams are listed), in the Team box, it shows if there is an Open Team Tournament at present, and gives you a clickable link to it.

I would like to know why in the Random Team box there are not 2 links as there are 2 open Tournaments at the moment ?

6. February 2008, 09:14:54
The Col 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Fencer: I drank the kool-aid and switched to firefox,the steroid version.It has improved the speed,but it's still not what it was

6. February 2008, 08:55:35
Fencer 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Jim Dandy: I've just checked your BrainKing account with 3 different browsers and through 2 different internet connections. In all cases, all pages have been loaded in less than 1 second and I have not observed any other issues.
Ergo, whatever the problem is, it is not caused by BrainKing. Q.E.D.

6. February 2008, 08:53:17
The Col 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Fencer: I'm a simple guy Fencer,I speak little computer lingo,but logic tells me that the sky is still blue

6. February 2008, 08:13:12
Fencer 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Jim Dandy: I don't want to repeat that again. That's why the article has been posted. If you want to add a comment, please use this page.

6. February 2008, 07:42:36
The Col 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Fencer: The article seems to come from the perspective that nothing has recently changed from your end.How does that explain a large number of players experiencing similar issues at pretty much the same time?

6. February 2008, 07:33:45
Fencer 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Jim Dandy: The article answers this question.
By the way, "so many people" is a relative notion.

6. February 2008, 07:29:20
The Col 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Fencer: Yes,I read it,but my question still stands.
How did the site speed become so crappy all the sudden for so many people?

6. February 2008, 06:53:30
Fencer 
Subject: Re: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
Jim Dandy: There is a link "when you have connection problems ..." at the board description section and the article is still valid for everyone.

6. February 2008, 00:03:26
The Col 
Subject: So how is the progress in getting this site back to speed?
just wondering?

3. February 2008, 22:47:54
Czuch 
Modified by Czuch (3. February 2008, 22:50:55)
the current bid is 44.6 billion USD

I know if it were you Fencer, you would hold out for at least 50 billion USD before you would sell Brainking!

(but, I could probably talk you into a special black rook or something for a measly 44.6 billion?)

2. February 2008, 17:36:11
MadMonkey 
Add Game to a Tournament
Very useful, and been much needed, no more deleting Tournaments if you forget a game


2. February 2008, 02:01:37
Bernice 
Subject: Re:
Puckish: yes that is true..

2. February 2008, 01:38:03
Czuch 
Subject: Re:
Bernice: The point is, it seems like us non Europeans have the option to get a refund for any VAT that we pay, and we would need some sort of confirmation that we actually paid a VAT to get this refund, I assume?

1. February 2008, 21:12:48
Bernice 
Subject: Re:
Puckish: now that is an interesting question...

1. February 2008, 16:38:52
Czuch 
I havent a new membership, but anyone who has, does the cost reflect a charge plus a separate tax charge?

1. February 2008, 16:37:07
Czuch 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
Bernice:


Me too!

1. February 2008, 16:10:00
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
MadMonkey:

1. February 2008, 12:51:47
pauloaguia 
Subject: Re:
MadMonkey: Ponds are waiting too...
Seems like the timed scripts have stopped working.

1. February 2008, 12:14:17
MadMonkey 
Is there something up with Team Tournaments ?

Perseus went from Open to waiting at 7.00am today, and is just sat there and now it seems to have skipped Herkules as well

30. January 2008, 10:24:46
MadMonkey 

29. January 2008, 20:15:34
Hrqls 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
ScarletRose: thats what i mean .. and so does brainking

29. January 2008, 20:11:01
ScarletRose 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?

Hrqls: Simple.. it's basically a cost of living increase.. one would have to expect that prices would rise.. that is the bennies of purchasing a lifetime membie to avoid paying higher in later years..


Utilities, Restraunts, Grocery Stores.. they all raise their prices ..


29. January 2008, 11:25:33
Bernice 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
rod03801: I can feel another holiday coming on ROFLMBO :)

29. January 2008, 09:51:04
Hrqls 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
even if the VAT would not appliable to users who can prove to be from another country .. then the site owner can always decide to raise the membership price because of his own VAT increases his costs to keep up the site .. so fencer could also say that he wont take any VAT into account for us users .. but that he has to increase the membership price because his own VAT is making it more costly for himself to maintain the site

(i know i could have worded that in better english ;))

29. January 2008, 07:16:22
redfrog 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
Fencer: it sounded like you were saying the VAT was imposed on you - as if to say - something regarding the costs of running the site required you to pay this VAT and memberships are increasing to reflect compensating your additional expense....

this would be different than a VAT imposed on the user....

am i correct or mistaken....

29. January 2008, 02:32:36
rod03801 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
Bernice: But regardless of all that, I think the main point is that no one here HAS to give a confirmed address. If everyone knew that anyone outside the EU didn't have to pay the extra, everyone could just say they lived in any country outside the EU.

So, even if it was true that Americans (or whoever) don't have to pay the "VAT" tax, there is no way currently to prove that you are or are not American (or whoever)

28. January 2008, 22:35:44
Bernice 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
Modified by Bernice (28. January 2008, 22:44:09)
alanback: I asked the same or similar question on 2 January 2008 on this board,but was ignored.....

My understanding is the same as yours....you do NOT have to pay another countries taxes as imposed by them on their own citizens. As I said in my post then....if we do work for someone in the UK for instance they are not and cannot be charged VAT or GST as it is called in Australia...if it a universal tax then that is a different story.

28. January 2008, 21:56:14
alanback 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
Fencer:  There's no practical difference in any case, since you are (or believe you are) obligated to collect the tax.  As far as I know there is only one kind of VAT in the EU, since the EU regulates it and requires a great deal of conformity throughout.  I know rates and taxable items differ from country to country (within a specified range), but the basic structure is probably the same everywhere in the EU.

28. January 2008, 21:09:29
Fencer 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
alanback: Nope, I am correct, according to my accountant. It's probably a different kind of VAT than you mean, but I don't know the right English word for that.

28. January 2008, 20:54:31
alanback 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
pauloaguia:  I think you're correct that the problem is one of establishing the residence of the customer.  My colleague also mentioned that. 

I believe that Fencer is incorrect in stating that the tax is imposed on him; in principle it is imposed on the customer, and the business merely collects it.  Businesses pay VAT on their own purchases.  Presumably Fencer pays VAT on the fees charged to him by the company that hosts the site, for example.  He also pays VAT on purchases of computer parts and supplies, etc.  This input VAT paid is creditable against the obligation to pay over VAT collected from customers.  Hence, the VAT is not (in principle, again) borne by businesses, but ultimately by consumers.

I suppose that customers outside the EU might be able to claim a refund of the VAT they pay, but that would hardly be worth the effort.

28. January 2008, 18:37:02
pauloaguia 
Subject: Re: VAT on User Fees?
Fencer: I type to slow... :P

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