guess we are all in the same boat! ;o) Goodluck everyone to reach for your high BKR once again..

i'd just like to know why there is a rating system at all...!!??....apparently nobody takes much intrest in it....IYT has a % type rating and it seems to work there....if everybody is so casual about how the ratings can just wipe away 2 months of rating points why not the entire amount....go to something different....what a good time to do that....make it interesting again...maybe think up something all together new....

i think clouddog and spyder joined in oct so i gues i have to wait for them to re enroll

Hahahaha! I'm with Slam. Pardon me while I roll on the floor where the furniture was laughing myself silly. I missed you guys.

Hi High Tide. *tries not to be redundant* Nice to see you on the boards.

You got up to 2156 beating me, b-b? Man, I gotta pay attention. I lost rating points too, but I don't care. I'll just have to find somebody like me to pick on.

juls31, click on 'Player List' in the menu and type their name in. It will come up and you can click on their names for their profiles and invite them again.

hey Maxxina.....if you have the game we played ..i don't have it on my game sheet...i can't send it if it's my turn because it's not here to send...

High Tide, on your main page when you log on you will see a link with an explanation of what has happened. Put simply, there was a bad crash and everything has gone back to how it was in September.

dANg...yAw aCt LiKe a BuNch oF HeLeN KeLLeRz wHo hAd tHEir FuRnItURe ReArRaNgEd.

Thanks for your heartfelt sympathy Slam! rofl!

I got one of this game too . Its a game which you played before 9/15 . The time of this game is over . Its on 0 :) But dont worry and play :)

i am not bothered about the games but i had started to play against clouddog, spyder and downtown how to i find them !

why are 5 of the games on my sheet have 0 for time...

pOoR BuMBLe..
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HehEHehEHehEHe!

3 days ago my backgammon rating was 2156 - now it's 1648.

Oh dear, what a shame, never mind! It's only a game. It'll be fun trying to reach 2156 again!

i seem to have games from last week but i also have games that were backed up the last time this happened...i have a tank game that is backed up farther than it was the last time this happened on a sunday and monday a few months ago...why is that game on my game sheet again...this is the 3rd try this guy has of winning this game..!!!

Jason : I lost many games too . Not only couple- about 60 +- . 600 games is a big number thats right , but its only games not health

LOL well you know, we all lost games. Some take it harder than others depending one how you see the games and how serious a player you are. Obviously many are going to be upset, and many more will take it in their stride and carry on.

whatever happens to the ratings some people wont be happy (me included with some games ) , steve make that 8% lolol

why is there ratings here...this would be a good time to go to a percentage type rating....it seems this is going to happen time and time again so why have a rating system like the one that's in place here...it's not accurate anymore....why not just get rid of something that's not working...that would solve alot of the arguments here

I lost best part of 500 , nothing we can do about it Jason :o( It felt like 5% of them were with you too LMAO

*sigh*

only a couple of games ?????? i lost nearly 600 so speak for yourself

People people people . sometimes problems happend , sometimes big problem happend . It happend now. Couple of games was lost , and whats up . Everybody survived , only ego of some people was shot down , because he lost a points . I lost a points too. But i will take me Bkr back in honest fight and show to world im still good . Made it as me :)

I agree, harley.

What I find disappointing is the lack of understanding. The first players back on here were fantastic about the situation. Rolled their sleeves up and got stuck into sorting things out. If only everyone was so resilient.

This is absolutely disappointing. As someone who has managed backup and restore operations for a small company, I would be fired immediately if I lost 6 weeks worth of data. I understand you might not have the financial resources to fix what has broken and that is disappointing as well.
I don't want to get in a fight with anyone, so I will just go ahead and fire brainking.com.

Best wishes for the future.
Max

Greg,
I don't want to start another argument so I'll say it shortly:

1) It's everyone's right to stop playing here and it is not necessary to announce it at discussion boards.
2) When you make large enterprise applications, you usually don't do it alone and as a side project.
3) I never criticize someone else's work unless I know as much background information as possible. Especially when the work covers more jobs than a mere programming.

Just wait for Brainking being my full-time job, then you can judge me.

wOw,gREg..gUeSs yOu hIt yOUr ReLeASe "vALVe".

Rose, I think that's a great idea. I'd like to donate my 3 months back.

As far as remembering who won or lost games, I can't remember my own name, much less....now who are you? I'll vote for just starting from here. As a matter of fact, I'm willing to just resign all my games, and if my opponents don't want to agree to a draw, they can have them. If we were playing for permanent things like Master Points (Duplicate Bridge), I might be a little testy. But, I just can't get up any anger about this.

jason, honey, don't be cross. Fencer and Liquid are doing everything they can to insure this will never happen again. Let's just start here, and go forward. What is behind us is a wasteland, but we have each other. We can laugh and get through this.

And I realize that you have asked to have this done privately but it's time that things be said that should have been said a long time ago. I recognize that many of you have built up a community here which is an investment of your time and energy. I respect that. I cannot however respect this insipid cheerleading for a site that, in all fairness, is average. True, the scope of the games here is breathtaking and Fencer does play a more visible role in running this site than the owners of IYT or GoldToken (though I only have a passing knowledge of GT). That is commendable. I put my money where my mouth was and paid for a membership to a site that is really just limping along. I tried to encourage people to become members but honestly, how can I recommend a site that I myself am becoming dissappointed in? In short, this site is poorly managed by Fencer as a system administrator and as a benevolent owner. Between the bickering that he chooses to ignore by action if not by words and the ridiculous hardware issues I can no longer play here. However irrationally, I am angry at Fencer for his apparent inability to see that his creation is tarnishing and falling apart before him. What Fencer does not understand is that investment in time or money creates a certain expectation and when that expectation is dashed, it creates feelings of resentment and anger. This fiasco was completely avoidable and is avoided every day by companies with less money than Fencer has. I have been a system administrator for 8 years now, I am also a web programmer, I have made large enterprise web applications. I know what I am talking about when I say that money is not the issue at BrainKing, the underlying infrastructure and technology is. Coupled with Fencer's apparent innocence in providing customer service that is firm AND fair and really I don't see the value in being aggravated by playing here. I said I was angry, in fact, I'm also sad. I am a good player. Not the best but I am good. And I play some of the best here. But I won't be playing them any longer unless we can find some other mutually beneficial site to p(l)ay at.

I earnestly wish you all the luck in the world, Fencer. If anyone deserves to have his creation bear fruit and grow, you do. You've put a lot of time into this site and you truly care for it, which is rare. However, the future of BrainKing will not have me in it.

Greg

wHy nOt jUs pLAy 'Em oUt?
aFtErALL..wE'Re aLL iN tHa sAMe bOAt.

May I suggest that if games are to be wiped out it's done soon.

Many people have dozens of games going and they aren't going to be happy to wade through them only to find they're wiped out at a later date.

BBW that was going to be my next question. The weekend before the crash my membership was to be paid by the do the sponsor a pawn thing that the KM does. So I guess that info is gone to? Maybe the person that did it for me could please tell BK when they did it. So that maybe I could get my membership that I was hoping for.

i sHaLL pLAy My gAmEz tHRu..wIn oR LoSe.

I agree.. those I remember I lost I resign, those I don't know, I aks my opponent, if we both can't remember I ask for a draw and start up new games..

the only thing I haven't thought about is what to do with the to be started tourny's in my fellowhsip; but they were running before the crash.. should i start them up again? Or create new ones or delete them? any suggestions? What are others doing in their fellowships??

thanks!

were you at one stage using auto login and it has been reset to that Medic?

Fencer, I cant seem to logout of here. Closing my browser doesnt work either, I tried :(

I agree. Much better to start again with new games than to play the old games again.

It sounds good to me aswell Aragon. Who else agrees? We can start our games from scratch.

Im with BBW, most (if not all) of the games I now have have already been completed before. The ones that I know I lost (know for sure) I am resigning, but if unsure then I can't be sure I would make the same moves (good or bad LOL) this time around, my memory isn't that good :o)

Wiping them out and starting a fresh sounds good to me??

I'm sorry, Pioneer, I don't mean to make light of the games lost. I fully understand that there are serious players here that work very hard on their ratings and win ratio. You put a lot of thought into those games and no they're lost.
I guess I'm just so happy to be back :o)
But I do sympathise, and if anyone wants to scream privately at me (rather than do it on a board) then feel free. I will do my best to help out, and just listen if I can't do anthing else!

fencer has all the imformation been salvaged that can be or could there be anymore to be updated ? i just dont want to replay games if they are goung to end up vanishing in the next few days

ps i have most of my bkrs printed out but im not sure how this can be put back

To some amazement, I pretty much agree with everything everyone has said!! But don't assume that I am perfectly content. I lost 11 titles, so I can definitely empathize with Jason's 17 lost!!? But, as stated, it is impossible to rectify at this point.

I really admire and appreciate those here who play for just the fun of playing; however, there are those among us who take a bit more strident view of the competition and all; 'serious players', if you will. It is why we become game players, because we not only want to have fun, but want to excel as well, and we want to do it against the other best players. I'm really not bitter, harley, and there are indeed much more important pursuits in life than games, although it is really not very soothing to have someone tell you 'it is only games' knowing full well that six weeks of diligence has just been flushed down the toilet!

I guess it will take some time for me to adjust my mindset to play here again. I certainly cannot do it at the present time. One thing I am wondering is, can we report results we know to Fencer and have him tally the games, or must he hear from both players for every game?

Won/Lose games: I for one could not tell you which games I won or lost. I know a few tournaments I won, but I have no idea which games inside the tournament I have won or lost, so I think it is a bad idea to "ask" someone to resign because they lost the game before. I do like the suggestion of just wiping out all current games and starting from scratch - it would solve the problem above! :-)

Money back for Membership: By giving back your free 3 months does not really put money back into Fencer's pockets - except for the fact you would later on renew your membership 3 months earlier. Another idea might be to take the money you saves (by the 3 months free), and either create a prize tournament for pawns, or do the "sponsor a pawn" thing that the KM does - since that would get more pawns as members (hopefully the new pawns then get hooked and pay for their own membership)

Question: I do have the tournament results for some all of my finished "Fast Start" tournaments (Some that I have not even created yet!) - would you (Fencer) want a list of who won those tournaments, or should I just forget about the list? (Just the tournament winner, not any info on any game within the tournament).

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

jason: The data were backed up on a daily basis. As I already wrote on BrainKing.info, the backup server had crashed too. At the same day. Really bad luck, eh?

Many have learned how important backing up is, if they did'nt already know.
bUt i, 4 oNe, aZ SiLLy aZ i Am..sTiLL sUpPoRt Fencer & hIs sITe.

Awwww, never mind, Jason, it can always be worse.
Have you read the information about what happened? Theres a link on the main page. Data is normally backed up, but there were faults with that too :o(

Ive spent those sort of hours on here too jason, and won tournies too. But I couldnt care less about them, I was more bothered by not getting to chat with my friends etc. I am so happy now i can again :oD Just there are some I am still to find :o(
Well done fencer and Liquid, youll be getting the extra membership back from me :o)

(((hugs))) all round to everybody (even fencer & liquid) ..... now im going to lie down and cry lol

yes rose they are only games , but its still got me mad , some days ive been on here for 20 hours at a time ...just to finish games im playing .
i was under the impression that all data would be backed up on a daily basis , but i was wrong ;(((