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18. July 2004, 00:06:29
rhiannon 
I'm suspicious. The cute baby in Antje's photo keeps beating me. :)

18. July 2004, 00:06:05
gooner 
I surpose you will never be able to "clean up" properly.

18. July 2004, 00:05:32
coan.net 
I by NO WAY hinted that all people who use the same computer is cheating - I'm not sure why you are taking things so personal - I was trying to "stick up" for the people who use the same computer, and even gave tips on how those people who do use the same computer could help them not be a target for suspicious.

Andersp - you and your games look fine to me, nothing out of the ordenary. Same with MASTERMINDS games - all look normal.

Please don't "hint" that I was hinting that you were cheating please. :-)

18. July 2004, 00:04:15
harley 
LOL Andersp, that wasn't what I meant. I mean its suspicious when people play loads of rated games with one person,and resign after a few moves in each game. Or just lose badly loads of times. Thats whether its the same computer or not. Personally, I'm not suspicious of anyone. If they want to cheat, go ahead! Its not hurting me, if they have a high rating through cheating then I'd like to play them and take some of that rating! Ha ha!

18. July 2004, 00:00:36
Andersp 
Gooner..we all know that a lot of people are cheating here in more than one way.

What pisses me off is that its so much noice if we are using the same computer. If i play a friend in Sweden will we be as "monitored" as if i play my wife in the same house?

17. July 2004, 23:57:30
gooner 
I mentioned that one incident because of all the goings on, on here in the past which has left a mark on BK. Also I to have been accused of it.

17. July 2004, 23:54:26
Fencer 
But I cannot guarantee that nobody will "hint" anymore :-)

17. July 2004, 23:53:49
Andersp 
Gooner...read BBWs "thoughts" and Harleys "suspicious behaviour"

17. July 2004, 23:52:00
Andersp 
Thanks

17. July 2004, 23:51:11
Fencer 
Of course.

17. July 2004, 23:50:31
gooner 
Who has hinted that then????

17. July 2004, 23:49:52
Andersp 
Fencer..when you announce it, can you please ask that people stop "hinting" that if you use the same computer then you are a cheater!!

17. July 2004, 23:43:22
Fencer 
Rod: Well, I wanted to announce it tomorrow along with first team tournament launch.

17. July 2004, 23:31:39
rod03801 
Is the User Agreement now official?

Sorry, I thought I remembered it being brought up that it wasn't. Sorry if I didn't notice an update on this.

17. July 2004, 23:30:59
gooner 
I just wanted the situation clarified thats all. I certainly wasn't suggesting anything.

17. July 2004, 23:30:05
rod03801 
I agree 100% Andersp ..
What's next? You can only play unrated games with friends?

You don't have to live in the same house with someone to pull of some sort of ratings scam..

It is not fair to say that a couple like Antje and Andersp should only be able to play in unrated games together..

17. July 2004, 23:30:02
Brian1971 
I agree Andersp. It shows however how a few bad apples past and present put all people like you and Antje under the microscope. It is not fair to you and I know neither you are cheaters. I used to have a roommate and we had 2 different internet hookups in the house. However when her computer crashed she used mine. IYT did not like it so they forced one account to be closed down. There was no cheating going on. That is one of the reasons IYT never got a paid membership from me. However I paid for one here and one for my friend, and part of another one for someone else here. This site is the best on the site. A couple bad instances should not take away from that.

17. July 2004, 23:29:37
Fencer 
The User Agreement covers this topic and, as I hope, it's pretty easy to understand.

17. July 2004, 23:22:25
Andersp 
Here we go again?

Antje and i play each other in many games, usually we invite to 3 x 9 RATED games and believe me, none of us feel as a "ratingcheater"

If anyone wants to cheat he can as well play someone across the Ocean as easily, i dont understand why it must be so big noise if we sit in the same house?

My rating went down to 1550 something the other night and it was NOT because i helped Antje to a higher rating it was as simple as she had more luck than i had.

We have paid our membership (well Antje donated my membership from Linda's prize tourney to me) so i think we deserve to be treated as "no cheaters".
Why must we on and on have to read this BS about "suspicious cheating" because we sit in the same house?

17. July 2004, 23:17:21
Brian1971 
My stand is if you have more than one person using the same computer to play games here, one should have a membership. In the before mentioned case, both Mastermind and Smart Alx are paid members so I dont see any real problems with them playing each other even if it is a rated game. One can tell if the game was rigged or legitimate based on reviewing a game's moves. I know there are exceptions to that statement. For the most though it is verily easy to determine.

17. July 2004, 23:16:33
Fencer 
Eriisa: How did you know I've been just watching Star Wars? :-)

17. July 2004, 23:09:21
harley 
Smart Alx is Masterminds son.
My son and daughter have been playing here recenty, and we play each other - although we do make sure its unrated games! I think its as BBW says, its ok in most circumstances, but you can help yourself by playing unrated games and playing 'normally', for example, not winning 15 games against your relative in one day so your rating goes very high! Thats just suspicious behaviour!

17. July 2004, 23:01:33
Brian1971 
Subject: Re:
Gooner I know that Smart Alx and mastermind are two different players. I have played both in the past.

17. July 2004, 21:45:06
gooner 
This is the reason I ask!!

MASTERMIND 17. July 2004, 20:37:11 viewing game Checkers (SMART ALX vs. MASTERMIND)

17. July 2004, 21:41:28
coan.net 
Subject: My thoughts
(IN MY OPINION) - it is some-what OK - but here are the "rules" I would follow if I were to lets say play my wife in games.

1) Try to play unrated - then you won't get accused of trying to "cheat" the ratings

2) Try not to play too many rated games too fast (if 2 players on the same computer finish games many times a day, it might look suspicious - ESPECIALLY if 1 player wins almost all the games)

17. July 2004, 21:36:54
gooner 
Are 2 paid up members using the same computer aloud to play each other???

17. July 2004, 21:32:25
bwildman 
may the "farse" be with you ;)

17. July 2004, 21:18:53
Eriisa 
Subject: Solution on the boards
Long long ago... in a galaxy far far away, there were beings who were very unhappy with ways boards were moderated before. Fellowship boards were created to resolve that conflict until things became better. Maybe that is a solution for now????? hmmmmm?

*walks towards the sunset with C3P0 and R2D2*

17. July 2004, 20:42:16
bwildman 
if I try to use my "alt" keys...they do what their supposed to when I type...but come back as question marks ?

17. July 2004, 20:26:18
coan.net 
I'm glad I'm able to show Fencer another cool feature of this site! :-)

17. July 2004, 20:24:54
Fencer 
On the other hand, let's keep this "bug" unfixed :-D

17. July 2004, 20:24:23
Fencer 
What?
It must be a bug. I didn't do it purposefully :-)

17. July 2004, 20:22:48
coan.net 
THIS IS SO COOL!

The top mover of all time list is updated live! So I know I'm up to 800+ moves (over my record) and still going for the next 3 hours or so!

I was wondering what I'm at, and now I can watch! YEA! Very cool Fencer!

17. July 2004, 19:58:53
Solitude 
Subject: Re: Small bug
I'm having that problem too, BBW.

17. July 2004, 18:18:10
coan.net 
Subject: Small bug
Another bug I have been living with for awhile, but I'm not sure if you know about it - so I'll mention it again.

In the Battleboat games, after you place your pieces, if you click on a piece to remove it from the board, almost always (about 85% of the time) it will also take off the 5 ship - so you are again placing the one you took off, and the 5 ship.

I noticed this a long time ago, but it's more of a pain now that we have the "random" board placement - because there is usually 1 peice I like to move - and it always takes off the 2 pieces.

Again, not a big bug - but thought I would mention it so it makes it on the list. :-)

16. July 2004, 18:00:55
Fencer 
Subject: Re: A bug?
Kitti: Yes, it's not implemented in this version yet.

16. July 2004, 15:54:28
bwildman 
Subject: V.I.P services
what are these then,if their not discussion boards?

16. July 2004, 15:48:53
bwildman 
Subject: escalation......
going UP!

16. July 2004, 15:46:47
kitti 
Subject: A bug?
The "show games with me only" feature on profiles doesn't seem to be working. When i click there i still get same list of games shown. The link changes to "show all games" though.

16. July 2004, 15:44:57
Stardust 
All I'm saying is IMHO it is not logical and with all due respect,unsound business judgement.

16. July 2004, 15:42:03
Stevie 
maharajah comes to mind

16. July 2004, 15:39:51
Fencer 
You should read the Paid Membership page more carefully. There is nothing about discussion boards. This is mostly a game site, not a chat site.

16. July 2004, 15:39:30
Stardust 
Subject: Fencer
I understand you don't see the DB's as a priority on this site,but you must agree that harmony is important. How can you let what is happening to the music DB continue? Hasn't past experience shown you that some things are best not ignored and can very well escalate?
Can you see how detrimental it is to BK allowing certain people to moderate? Would you put a famous actor in charge of the cash register? Only if you wanted the onslaught of attention :-)

16. July 2004, 15:37:44
bwildman 
so our paid memberships are once again violated because of moderators who are biased?

16. July 2004, 15:34:20
Stevie 
OK, its a right hand dont know what left hand is doing there situation then :o)

16. July 2004, 15:33:20
Fencer 
I made no changes.

16. July 2004, 15:32:17
Stevie 
Subject: While on that subject Fencer
Did you change music board back to "everyone can post"?
Either you did or the moderators dont know what each other are doing.
One was saying a moment ago they all had to be approved, so I pointed out it said we could post again. Then whamm the restriction was put in place again and my post was hidden anyways.

16. July 2004, 15:30:55
Fencer 
It's been already answered on Feature Requests board.

16. July 2004, 15:27:41
bwildman 
Subject: you asked....
Modified by bwildman (16. July 2004, 15:28:49)
I asked you to take a few minutes out and look at the Music discussion board and see if my last post warranted me being banned from that board. *edited for spelling*

16. July 2004, 15:23:25
Fencer 
What was it about?

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