Maxxina:

I know what I would do, but it wouldn't help much if Vikings saw it.

Let's just say you want to bid at least 5663, but you probably want to go for the bonus.

(As if I'm one to be giving advice to the #1 player )

Maxxina: Well I never said it was going to be simple. O'wait - I did. TWICE!

BBW : easy to say :]]]

Simple - Bid either between 1-478 point more then Vikings bid

or

bid 524 points less then Vikings. (While still bidding above tonyh)

Simple!

Maxxina: hehe.. oh wow.. I was thinking you had 5662 sorry.. let me think here

5050 - really? I like yourself . Thats suicide

Maxxina: Bid 5050

1 Vikings 6827
2 Maxxina 6804
3 tonyh 5662

any idea what to do ? :]

ClayNashvilleTn: fill in some numbers and watch the results ;)

(it should be '42' :))

Pedro Martínez: I see what you mean (Pbarb collected two 500 point bonuses in the 1st 2 rounds) - but why?
The system credits me with a bonus as soon as I get it.
How may the rest of us bet against someone with hidden bonuses?

tonyh: I see 6612 but the system doesn't include any of the bonuses (8) Barb has collected throughout the pond in the number we see WHEN this person receives the bonus in the particular round we're looking at...

Pedro Martínez: Do you really see 8612 points????

I'll have a look at it.

Pbarb had 8612 points and bet 6612, I see nothing whacky about it....save for the problem I posted in the BugTracker

When I click on the red number next to the 'Main page' link it takes me to the oldest pond, but I have my games sorted by the time to deadline. Shouldn't the numbered link take me to the game with the least remaining time (I.e. the one at the top of my list according to how I have it sorted)?

tonyh: Looks that way to me too, tony. That is wacky!!

Fencer: As i see it, with 2 rounds to go, Pbarb2 had 4612 left but managed to bet 6612, giving a plus total of 2000 - but am I reading it wrong?

tonyh: I see nothing "whacky". What do you mean?

Fencer; please have a look at the closing two rounds of this Pond. Something whacky happened to pbarb2's score.

Hrqls: That's like asking me what's wrong with Einstein's theory of relativity. hehehehehe

How in the world would I know?

ClayNashvilleTn: whats wrong with it ?

Fencer:Let me say this about the Formula that you posted,

Fencer: ok thanks :)

Hrqls: It's calculated only when the pond is finished :-)
Statistics - not yet.

Fencer: ah! ok so its calculated only when you fall in the pond (or when you win it) .. not every round

thanks :)

are ponds calculated into the win/loss ratio in the statistics as well ?

is the pond bkr also calculated into the average bkr ?

Hrqls: You cannot count it as "win" or "loss". The formula has some input parameters - your current BKR, average BKR of all opponents, current BKR of each opponent, number of "wins" [players with lower final order], number of "draws" [players on the same level as you], number of "losses" [players with higher final order]. It takes all of this, makes some creepy things with them and spits out the result as your new BKR :-)

Fencer: for example in a game with 16 players ...

i am ok in the first round : 1 win of me against the one who fell in using both our bkrs to calculate our new bkr once the pond is finished

i fell in the second round : 1 loss against all who remains in ? does that mean it counts as 1 game lost to someone who would have the same bkr as the average bkr of everyone still int ? or does it mean 14 losses to each remaining player indivually ?

Fencer: Thanks for the laymens version ;)

The smaller text for BKRs is much nicer. ;-)

rod03801: This one. Yes, the same is applied on normal games but in a simplified way.

Fencer, would you consider telling us what the formula is? (In layman terms, preferably.. lol)

Cathy1: 16 players might be a little better because what really matters is the average BKR of all your opponents. But not only this, of course.

Fencer:

Is it better (for BKR) to win in a pond with 70 players than in a pond with 16 players?

BIG BAD WOLF: You are guessing right.

I'm guessing that the BKR changes once the tournament is complete. Going to be a big hit for some in the "first run" pond. Luckly, I'm still going.

Czuch Chuckers: Not always, it depends on your opponents' BKR. Falling in the pond with low rated players is worse.

Fencer: So is falling in the first round with 100 person pond worse (for bkr) than falling with a 16 person pond?

Czuch Chuckers: don't worry about it. the BKR formula is probably still far from convergence, if it ever does. you're bound to bounce up again.

Not exactly. The formula is more complex in this case but the basic idea is the same.

So, lets see if I have this bkr thing correct.... If I drop outin the first round, is the same as if I lost to everyone else in that pond, and that everyone else jus beat me, and our bkr will be calculated against every player in the game this way each round that goes by, using the same "chess rating formula" that all the other games use?

rabbitoid: Thanks! I saw that already....
I was 2009 for awhile there. I will allow anyone who at least was at 2000, hows that?

Sorry BBW, but it is obviously more important for me to get 2nd place than it is for you to win the pond,

Czuch Chuckers:
Over a 2000 BKR Only Pond Creator: Czuch Chuckers


FOR ANYONE WITH A 2000 BKR OR HIGHER ONLY PLEASE!

Pond ID: 469
Minimum number of players: 16
Maximum number of players: 16
Time per move: 1 day
Start: 4. May 2005, 15:00:00


Sign up for the run

Signed players
4 players
Maxxina 2664
Vikings 2442
Pedro Martínez 2392
Czuch Chuckers 1965

hERE IS ONE FOR ANYONE OVER A 2000 BKR...

http://brainking.com/en/Pond?g=469&trnst=0

Fencer: Thanks for that clarification :)
I said that (or something similar) on the other pond board about a month ago....3 wins isnt as good as 6 3rds or whatever LOL...I know what I mean hehehe

*******EDIT*******
here is part of what I posted in answer to Czuch :)

I have had about OH DEAR...about 6-8 2nds? I think....but as Barb said below it isnt very often I finish out of the top 5....maybe that has something to do with it....Only Fencer can answer that :)

But example: wins = 10, 2nd = 8, 3rd = 6, 4th = 4 etc etc.

in 5 games you have 2 wins, 1 3rd, 2 misses. = 26(does sound better than mine.)
I have 3 3rds, 1 2nd, 1 4th. = 30.
now this is an example only going on my rates of being in top 5 finishing....

Well, the ratings are based on final positions of the particular pond players. When you have the last round of a finished pond, consider players behind you as your wins, players on the same position as draws and the rest as your losses. And, of course, their current BKR is significant for the BKR result.

No it doesnt change with each game completed...well I dont think so....I have had 2-3 completed games today Im sure and my rating is the same as it was 9 hours ago :)

shouldn't our rating be by our names on this board?

Thad: Ha! I'm more than low enough for this one!