Summertop: If you look at the number of members (paid or free) then compare that number to how many are playing poker, you will see that the poker tables are not well received. If you then look at the throngs of people playing on other poker sites (that do not offer real money tables)...well it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Well, one should take into account that this site is mostly visited by people wanting to play turn-based games. Poker is the odd-one out, as it's played real-time. The fact I seldomly play poker is that it requires my constant attention - if I play a chess or backgammon game, I can walk away at any moment.
But I'm not claiming there aren't any bugs. Nor am I disagreeing with any of the points you're making. I've been here for several years as well. I've seen the site grow, and I've seen Fencers attitude change. But the site costs only a few bucks/month, and each year I can decide whether I will stay, or spend my money otherwise.
Modified by Summertop (20. November 2009, 17:30:20)
Wow, Some long time paying members are quite upset about (Filip) Fencer's attitude and implementation of Poker on his site. If we were to go to another board (Features, etc.) and ask about Poker, we would be redirected here. So, its hard to swallow being told we are "off topic" discussing Poker and its future...ON the Poker forum.
I've been a paying member for quite a while now. I don't have tons of games going, but I visit the site a couple of times a day 5-7 days a week....for years. I've learned a few things about Brainking.
1. Fencer (Filip) really doesn't care about members, paying or otherwise. He has repeatedly said, "If you are not happy here, you are free to play elsewhere"...even to long time members. I suggest you take him up on his offer. Stay and play the games because you like them, or bail on this site.
2. Fencer DOES care about this site. Which is why I am still here. He continually works on it, adds new games, etc. Albeit, very unprofessional with responses to questions from members. Fencer is not afraid of criticism. He will let people make "negative" posts that other sites would "moderate". But, don't expect a "friendly" reply.
To tie this into this board's "topic"...Fencer's game site (Chess, Backgammon, etc.) is one of the best on the internet. But, his poker site is one of the worst. I check back every 3-4 months to see if he has "fixed" it. I will find where he has done a few "features" (toggling sound on/off, etc.), but has not fixed the bugs nor addressed the "responsiveness" of the site.
I love playing poker (for fake money). But, to date, I don't play poker here because it is not worth the frustration. If you look at the number of members (paid or free) then compare that number to how many are playing poker, you will see that the poker tables are not well received. If you then look at the throngs of people playing on other poker sites (that do not offer real money tables)...well it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
I'm not sure what Fencer's plans are for the poker tables...and he won't tell us. When the tables were new, I use to make polite suggestions on how to improve various aspects of Brainking (games, rules, poker, etc.) Usually, I was simply ignored. Once a suggestion was actually implemented. But other times I got shot down rather rudely, as some here just did recently. Which is why I don't really offer my suggestions anymore. Trust me, after playing here for many years, I DO have suggestions.
I have seen Brainking go from a side project of Fencer's to a full blown site. With the addition of the Poker tables, I think Fencer has hit the limit of what one man can do...maybe it is time to get another developer to help out.
So...Kill the poker tables or fix them...I don't care. I will still be playing the other games. In a few months, I will check back to see if the tables are still worthless...till then, anyone care for a game of chess?
Fencer: And before I start to call you names you won't like,
off topic? I ask about the status of your so called 3.0 version of bk,which according to your previous posts, will include no bugs in the poker program, and I'm off topic?? Its quite obvious you have no intention on any immediate repairs, nor do you care about much of anything once you have taken our money. enjoy mine while you can.
Wouldn't it have been more appropiate to post a pm to Fencer. And it seems to me that most members already were a paid member before the pokergame was introduced, so you got the poker game for free ?!?!
Bwild: Of course I do. And before I start to call you names you won't like, let me make one more attempt of, er, explanation:
1) Paid membership is not mandatory, nobody is forced to pay here to play. Especially poker is (and always will be) free for all. 2) The page of membership level benefits clearly specifies what you get when you decide to upgrade. It says nothing about our duty to fix all possible bugs, add new features or discuss with people who don't want to accept the site rules.
I am sure it is clear enough for everyone, mostly because it is not the first time I post this kind of response. No more off topic responses here, please.
Subject: Re:instead of useless posting about "crap".
Fencer: I do play elsewhere and for free!! I also have a paid membership at YOUR site. I have a right to voice my concerns about bugs in YOUR site. Is it so much to ask for a senseable response, as to when YOUR site is without these annoying bugs? Your site has many intros to Your poker section,and quite frankly, its deceiving because Your site is full of bugs! You know Filip, if you'd answer people when they ask, they'd not have to re-ask, and finally get upset.
gborland: you think? I mean come on...if the new version of BK suppossedly will have a new version...must mean it has to be fixed first! its been over 5 monthes since we first heard this crap, I'm just wondering how many more monthes will it take to get the poker program functioning properly so we can play this game bug free? and if its already fixed...why cant it be implemented before the entire site reboots to this 3.0 version?
I often find the poker page displays wrong or out-of-date stuff. For example, it shows me in Under-The-Gun position, but then skips right over me and the bet moves to the next person before I am given a chance to act.
I do a full refresh of the page, and it then shows that I'm actually in the Dealer position for that hand, but by the time it's all reloaded, my hand has timed out.
I just lost a hand with KK in the hole, because this stupid bug caused a time-out while I was waiting for the refresh.
Thanks Fencer, the tables working now......bad timing for deluis nice to see he still received the achievement even if he only won 50 chips. (22:39:54) Dealer calculates the winner(s). (22:39:55) deluis wins the pot with four sevens. The kicker card is six. (22:39:55) deluis earns the achievement [Le Chiffre]! (22:39:55) deluis wins 50 chips (main pot).
Fencer: BrainKing No Limit Fast High Bets 5 Seats(21:19:52) Table has been frozen for several minutes & will not release us from the table. The other tables seem to be working fine, but not this table http://brainking.com/en/PlayOnlinePoker?g=35
You always use the best five card hand from each player to determine the winner. Whatever cards are left over do not matter at all. So in your example both players have the same straight and the pot will be split between them.
Minimum amount to play in BK poker is the size of big blind. (Unless it has been fixed recently. You really should be able to play until you lose all your money.)
And about the side pots: you cannot win anymore from any player than you put in the pot yourself. For example P1 calls 10, P2 raises all-in 50, p3 raises to 100, p4 calls and then P1 folds. Main pot will be 10+50+50+50=160. Whoever has the best hand in the end will win this. P3&P4 will also be playing for a side pot of 50+50=100.
can the ace be used as a '1' ? i mean : is A-2-3-4-5 considered to be a straight ? (or nothing)
are there situations where more than 5 cards are used to determine the winner ? for example : player A has in his hand 2 and 10 player B has in his hand K and 10 on the table is 6,7,8,9,Q will the pot be split (both players have a straight) or will player B win with his (6th card) K ?
whats the minimum amount you need to play in a game ? as much as the big blind ? or more ? (i am not talking about how much you need to join the table, but amout the amount you need to participate in a game when you are already on the table)
so if i save 50 credits for the last game and go all in on the first round .. then i can only win <nr of players> * 50 ? the rest of the pot will go the second best hand (provided they had enough credits to play normally :))
Hrqls: If one person put in all their money (lets say 100), and then 2 others bid higher (lets say up to 150) - then if that first person wins, they will only win up to what they put in (100x3 = win 300) - which will leave 100 left in the side pot, in which those 2 who bid higher play for that, and the one who has the higher hand between those 2 win that one.