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    24. February 2009, 18:33:43
    "GERRY" 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Modified by "GERRY" (24. February 2009, 18:41:02)
    Fencer: The only way i got cash is by working for it.Got any job's that pay cash;)))

    24. February 2009, 18:27:03
    Pedro Martínez 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Fencer: I bet they would. :)

    24. February 2009, 18:25:27
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Czuch: Good question. Would people be interested in real cash games here?

    24. February 2009, 18:20:31
    "GERRY" 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Czuch: LMAO:)))))

    24. February 2009, 18:10:33
    Czuch 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Fencer: ok, thanks! I dont think any more bugs exist though....

    BTW, for my help beta testing, do I get some free cash when you take it to the real cash game level?

    24. February 2009, 17:57:20
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Czuch: Your goal is to help BrainKing to locate and fix remaining bugs. After the test period is done, you can change the priorities.
    The chips reset will be properly announced.

    24. February 2009, 16:55:53
    Czuch 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Fencer: how long will we be testing before the chips count is reset?

    ...and the goal in poker is to always win all the chips, but its a lot of time to spend doing it, when it will all be wiped out

    24. February 2009, 16:50:51
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Czuch: The sense is to test, not to win all possible chips. But nobody is forced to participate, of course.

    24. February 2009, 16:43:15
    Czuch 
    Subject: Re:
    AbigailII: Since it is possible to lose all your chips and then reload them once a day, its likely many more chips than that will be in play....

    24. February 2009, 16:41:12
    Czuch 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Fencer: So the word is you will reset all people to 1000 chips? When? Makes little sense to play until then...

    24. February 2009, 14:40:49
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Czuch: The fix has been just confirmed by Pedro and me, no limit heads up.

    24. February 2009, 14:39:23
    Czuch 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Fencer: Thanks.....

    24. February 2009, 09:21:59
    Bernice 
    Subject: Re:
    AbigailII: Im so pleased you have made that calculation :)

    it now bears credibilty to my "it is only play money" and you cant "flood the market"

    hahahahah........thanks so much

    24. February 2009, 08:56:49
    AbigailII 
    Subject: Re:
    Modified by AbigailII (24. February 2009, 08:57:11)
    Summertop: I bet there aren't even a million chips in play yet.

    Brainking claims to have 78992 players at the moment of this writing. That means close to 80 million chips where available the first day Poker was available. Granted, the overwhelming majority of those players never actually play here, so the total number of chips "in play" is less. But it only takes a 1000 players to have a million chips.

    24. February 2009, 08:26:57
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Czuch: Ah, I've found it (fortunately Pedro Martínez knows how to make a quality bug report, you should follow his example next time).
    Under investigation.

    24. February 2009, 08:08:17
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker bug
    Czuch: 1) It is designed to give the winner only a multiple of his own bet (multiplied by the number of remaining players) and the rest is moved to the side pot. If you think that it didn't work in some situation, please post the table URL and the round number.
    2) This is a known bug, caused by my wrong understanding of this rule. It is going to be fixed soon.

    24. February 2009, 04:12:50
    Czuch 
    Subject: Poker bug
    There is a bug in the no limit games.... most people dont play them, but sometimes if you bet all in, you win double the amount of your bet, even if the person you went against doesnt have the same amount of money as you do.


    another one, if the board has an ace high flush, or even a 4 card flush, the person with the highest card of that suit in their hand should win, but right now it has them all at a tie for the pot. That is wrong.

    24. February 2009, 03:36:32
    Bernice 
    Modified by Bernice (24. February 2009, 03:36:54)
    I was able to get in and onto the tables that time....no freeze (but then I didn't play) I was just happy enough to get onto the ptable

    24. February 2009, 03:35:14
    Bernice 
    Subject: Re:
    Gordon Shumway: yes everything has been refreshed :(

    but will go try again "(

    24. February 2009, 02:50:50
    toedder 
    Subject: Re:
    Bernice: have you refreshed the page after turning it off?

    24. February 2009, 02:42:38
    Bernice 
    Subject: Re:
    Modified by Bernice (24. February 2009, 02:45:23)
    coan.net: yep sound on.....damn Ive been waiting for it and now cant use it


    well, well, well, I just went in and turned off the sound and I cant even sit down....it won't let me

    I can't play at all :(

    24. February 2009, 01:10:11
    toedder 
    Subject: Re:
    Bwild: pokerstars and fulltilt allow 3 per hour.... I think that is very reasonable.

    While this is very reasonable for Full Tilt and Stars, with their fast pace tables, I think it'd be OK to have a tougher limit here at BrainKing, but not less than once per hour. And maybe 90 minutes for pawns or something.

    24. February 2009, 01:07:46
    toedder 
    Subject: Re: Prizes
    nodnarbo: I thought about chips -> brains, but don't like the idea. You really get into a grey area, the inflation of chips would be a serious problem, and collusion would become a serious problem. Better forget that idea imo.

    And again, I don't see the problem with people reloading more than once a day. This is Poker for fun, not for money. What do people earn from dumping away chips and reloading frequently? Only playing experience, nothing more. You will never be able to reload when you have more than the starting chips, I really don't see the point in excluding players for a day when they lost a couple of chips.

    24. February 2009, 00:38:07
    nodnarbo 
    Subject: Re: Prizes
    coan.net: I think that is a GREAT idea! That is probably the best way to control the amount of chips in play. Something visual in the poker room is definitely a good idea, maybe make certain items upgradable, such as a prize cup, you can get the next biggest one once you get to a certain chip count. The only thing that might get in the way is that we don't want to add to many things to the poker interface that don't have anything to do with the game and would crowd the screen.
    Another thing that Fencer could maybe consider is allowing the exchange of chips for brains. You could cash at a certain exchange rate of chips to brains. That might be kind of getting too close to playing for real money, but since you can't actually get cash for brains it might be OK.

    24. February 2009, 00:34:42
    Bwild 
    Subject: Re:
    Summertop:bingo players dont last long...even at 3 per hour.

    24. February 2009, 00:29:47
    Summertop 
    Subject: Re:
    Modified by Summertop (24. February 2009, 00:33:08)
    Bwild: I just started playing on facebook a little bit ago, used to play on PartyPoker...not sure how frequently you can get more chips as I don't bust. But, I think we all agree:
    1. Players must be able to get more chips if they bust
    2. Player may only do so, "once in a while". Once a day is the max, but I think shorter time periods would be nice.

    Personally, I think 3 per hour is too frequent. Nothing more boring than sitting at a table when someone just goes "All In" on every hand...knowing they can get them back whenever they want.

    24. February 2009, 00:25:30
    Summertop 
    I don't think there is an issue of flooding the market. I seriously doubt Fencer will let you get more chips whenever you want. I bet there aren't even a million chips in play yet.

    As for "awards", they are awesome. But, I'm not sure you should spend chips on them. Nothing wrong with having millions of chips in the bank. You should be limited to how many you can bring to a table.

    24. February 2009, 00:20:43
    Bwild 
    Subject: Re:
    Summertop:pokerstars and fulltilt allow 3 per hour....   I think that is very reasonable.

    24. February 2009, 00:16:28
    Summertop 
    Subject: Re:
    Bernice:Let every player have 5 (or some finite number) of free renews...

    now that isnt very fair....you have people playing because they love the game but they never win a hand....so after "so many" renews you want to deprive them of having fun??? I think not.

    you then say ***Let players always get one renewal per day*** which is it to be.....or am I missing your point here


    Yes, you miss the point...they get 5 free to use any time they "bust"...they ALSO still get the daily amount. So when they start out, they can go back and get more chips 5 times (all in one day or spread across multiple days). After that, they can only go back and get chips once a day. So, if they start playing and end the day with chips, the next day, they can actual get more chips SIX times. But once those five free ones are gone, they can only get chips once a day.

    24. February 2009, 00:05:36
    coan.net 
    Subject: Re:
    Bernice: Do you have the sound on? I know someone else was having the issue when they tried to have the sound on (little speaker above the chat box.)

    Red X on it means it is off.

    Green plus on it means it is on.

    If the speaker has the green plus, maybe try to turn it off?

    24. February 2009, 00:03:33
    coan.net 
    I don't believe there should just be unlimited amount a chips you can get in a day - otherwise, what is the point. This was mentioned before (by AbigailII), but will tell you what I think would be good.

    Everyone who has less than X chips, get Y new chips (maxed out at X)

    So how I would do it:

    If a person has under 1,000 chips, they can go to their profile and click on an option to get more chips.

    A pawn can get 250 additional chips a day (current lowest amount table is 250, so if they lose a lot - they can still play at least once a day)

    A Bishop & above can get 500 additional chips a day

    So if someone has 800 chips - they can go to their profile and click "add more chips" - and they will be back up to 1000 chips.

    So if someone has 100 chips - they can go to their profile and click "add more chips" - and a pawn will then have 350 chips, everyone else would have 600 chips.

    ===========================

    I would also like to throw out an idea for something to look at in the future. Since some people will just keep gaining & gaining chips forever (well if they are good poker players) - the idea to have "awards" or "prizes" that people can "buy" with their chips. Like a 50,000 chip award where a player can turn in 50,000 chips to get this award to display on their profile (of even little ribbons under the picture on a poker table if they wanted - or a little star on the picture on a poker table for every award that they have got.)

    This is just a quick thought - a lot more detail & prizes & awards & ribbons & stuff like that can be thought of... nothing to really do right now, but as time moves on and people start to accumulate more chips - it's an idea to help "remove" some of the chips from the system... and reward the players who achieve it at the same time.

    23. February 2009, 23:57:51
    Bernice 
    I am currently in room 2? and it has frozen again for me :(

    everytime I sit down this seems to happen.....is anybody else on my side of the world having the same trouble?

    23. February 2009, 23:25:43
    toedder 
    Subject: Going south
    Another rule that I don't remember being mentioned yet: going south. The term going south (also referred to as ratholing) describes a player winning a pot, leaving the table and buying back in with less chips. So he effectively "secures" his winnings (puts it into his rat hole) and will continue to play only for the minimum. This is commonly considered bad etiquette and most places don't allow this. Online, a common counter measure is to set a time limit. Say you have 1500 chips at a 500 minimum table and leave. During the next hour, if you want to rejoin this table, you have to take at least 1500 chips to the table. After that period you can buy in for the minimum of 500 again. Of course, this doesn't affect other tables, so you can always leave and enter a different table for the minimum if you are not comfortable with your current deep stack.

    Oh, and are there waiting lists for full tables? Would be a good idea too.

    All of this of course for the future! I think time out and blind posting and showdowns etc. have a higher priority obv.

    23. February 2009, 23:17:09
    toedder 
    Subject: Re:
    Modified by toedder (23. February 2009, 23:26:31)
    puupia: Flooding the market is no problem at all. Every player can chose what stakes to play. If you have 1 million chips, playing 5/10 doesn't seem to be the most fun. If you have 1000 chips, playing 300/600 doesn't seem to be fun at all.

    New players with their puny stack of 1000 chips have no chance whatsover playing agains someone with for example 1 million chips.

    Wrong. If I have 1000 chips and sit down at a table and play against a guy with 1000000 chips - we are both playing for 1000 chips effectively in every hand. Him having 999000 more doesn't change anything, it doesn't give him better chances to win any hand. If you play a ring game, you can leave the table whenever you want, so play does not continue until one player has all the chips (in which case the rich would obviously be favored). Of course you can't catch up with the rich guy in just a couple of hands, but he had to play a lot to get these chips, so that's OK.

    You chose the maximum you play for in any given hand by selecting your buy in. So the maximum is already under your control. Now you can chose the minimum by entering a table that suits your wishes. Removing minimum buy ins is a bad idea.

    EDIT: for limit tables this is obviously a non-issue overall

    23. February 2009, 22:49:25
    puupia 
    Subject: Re:
    Bernice: Of course flooding the market is a problem. If money just keeps coming into the system and no money gets out, some players will sooner or later have huge amounts of chips. New players with their puny stack of 1000 chips have no chance whatsover playing agains someone with for example 1 million chips.

    To keep the game balanced the play money economy needs to be balanced. I say rake should be put into use before market is flooded with chips!

    To keep the game interesting people should have similar amount of chips available. I think tables should have maximum buy-in instead of minimum wich is in use now!

    23. February 2009, 22:34:45
    Bernice 
    Subject: Fencer
    I just went into room 2........frozen in time again.

    23. February 2009, 22:14:31
    Bernice 
    Subject: Re:
    Modified by Bernice (23. February 2009, 22:15:04)
    nodnarbo: now if you were talking "real" money/chips I would have to agree, but we are talking playmoney?chips here....lets be serious....LOL "flooding the matket" hahahaha

    23. February 2009, 22:12:52
    nodnarbo 
    Subject: Re:
    Bernice: The problem is that we can't just allow infinite renews otherwise people will just lose all their chips right away because they know they can just get more again, and then we undergo massive inflation. We need to find the fairest way of allowing people to get free chips back without "flooding the market".

    23. February 2009, 22:09:06
    Bernice 
    Subject: Re: SLOW playing...
    Gordon Shumway: this might help you clean out your system LOL

    http://www.raincitystory.com/flash/screenclean.swf

    23. February 2009, 22:00:38
    Bernice 
    Let every player have 5 (or some finite number) of free renews...

    now that isnt very fair....you have people playing because they love the game but they never win a hand....so after "so many" renews you want to deprive them of having fun??? I think not.

    you then say ***Let players always get one renewal per day*** which is it to be.....or am I missing your point here

    23. February 2009, 21:43:50
    Summertop 
    Subject: Renewable Chip supply
    Modified by Summertop (23. February 2009, 21:45:20)
    In your (brainking.info) blog, you mentioned being able to request more chips...I have a few suggestions for this feature:

    1. Only let people renew chips only when they go bust.

    2. Let every player have 5 (or some finite number) of free renews. So players learning can get more chips at the beginning. All 5 can be used in one hour, one day, however long they need. Again, can only renew if you don't have chips. So, you can't use them all up to get 5 times the normal starting amount.

    3. Let players always get one renewal per day. Again, only if you don't have any chips.

    4. Reward people for playing other games on brainking. You could have a daily bonus players could grab, based on their activity with the other turn based games. You could base it on number of ratings (provisionsal?), number of running games, number of moves, or any combination.

    23. February 2009, 21:35:23
    toedder 
    Subject: Re: SLOW playing...
    Modified by toedder (23. February 2009, 21:35:50)
    Summertop:

    Please, Please, Please....When a player times out...
    1. Flag the player as timed out.
    2. Force a fold, no matter what!
    3. Don't deal them in to a new hand till they unflag themselves.
    4. Let existing players boot timed out players (so others can take their seat).


    1. Yes!
    2. I think it is actually OK to let them check in the hand on that they timed out, just do it instantly when the action comes to them and don't wait for them to return.
    3. Timed out should be = sitting out, so Yes!
    4. Might be an option as might be auto boot them when they timed out and the big blind comes across them.

    23. February 2009, 21:31:56
    toedder 
    Subject: Re: Poker on Brainking - random thoughts
    Fencer: OK, I was just about to paste Opera's error message, but the console doesn't allow me to copy more than one line, or I am to noob to figure out how. But now that you found an error, I'll just wait until tomorrow :) I'm just gonna play some other games and read some forums for now. Have a good time relaxing and thanks for taking care of this problem (which strangely only is a problem for me?)

    23. February 2009, 21:26:25
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker on Brainking - random thoughts
    Gordon Shumway: Sorry, my fault. This is a real bug, will be fixed tomorrow (I am already too tired to make any changes today).

    23. February 2009, 21:25:56
    Summertop 
    Subject: SLOW playing...
    OK, I just played some more. It is slow to play. When a player "times out" it is VERY SLOW.
    1. There were 3 players...one of them kept timing out.
    2. The other two wanted to check.
    3. The "timed out" player would auto check after timing out...EACH TURN!
    4. At the very end, the player that timed out THREE TIMES actually, won.
    6. New hand, I was FINALLY dealt in...
    7. After the flop, the same player timed out again (checked), so I did a small raise...
    8. Player timedout AGAIN and auto folded.
    9. Play continued...
    10. New hand...player that timedout repeatedly was still there...and timing out.
    11. Finally that player was either booted from the table, or left. Whew!
    12. Player shows right back up...
    13. Player continues to timeout, hoping to win more pots with everyone checking...

    Please, Please, Please....When a player times out...
    1. Flag the player as timed out.
    2. Force a fold, no matter what!
    3. Don't deal them in to a new hand till they unflag themselves.
    4. Let existing players boot timed out players (so others can take their seat).

    23. February 2009, 21:22:04
    Fencer 
    Subject: Re: Poker on Brainking - random thoughts
    Gordon Shumway: Huh? clearTimeout is one of fundamental JavaScript functions and must be supported everywhere. Does it happen with other browsers too?

    23. February 2009, 21:21:44
    toedder 
    Subject: Re: Poker Tournaments
    AbigailII: Maybe we should stick to 1 table tournaments at first, and just play them to an end?

    23. February 2009, 21:20:07
    toedder 
    Subject: Re: Poker on Brainking - random thoughts
    Gordon Shumway: seems like my system is really sucky.... :/

    23. February 2009, 21:19:33
    toedder 
    Subject: Re: Poker on Brainking - random thoughts
    Fencer: Looked better, but now I get the following error:

    Fehler: errorMessageTimeout.clearTimeout is not a function
    Quelldatei: http://brainking.com/js/poker-19.js
    Zeile: 1303

    23. February 2009, 21:18:41
    AbigailII 
    Subject: Re: Poker Tournaments
    Summertop: These tournaments typically run a week. A week long tournament? How's that supposed to work? Not many people will be able to go without sleep for a week.

    Note that in my suggestion, once you start the tournament, you got to stay till you're eliminated - there are no time outs or breaks. Now, a time limit may be a good idea - let the tournament run for one or two hours, and count the chips at the end. (To avoid people waiting till the last second before raising/betting/calling/checking/folding once they are ahead close before the time runs out, hide the exact time when the tournament finishes, or let a tournament be "1 hour + 20 hands", meaning that the tournaments ends 20 hands counting from an hour after the tournament started).

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