or a tourney to choose the option of not allowing auto vacation??

Seeing how there are prize tourneys and some tourneys where you get a huge responce to play.. isn't there a way to not allow *auto vacation*..

I could understand if the game were given a one day time limit. or even up to 3 days.. But, when the game is set up to allow a week or more to make a move, I find it ridiculous to allow auto vacation. And if so.. It should only be allowed to use with one day intervals..

For explaining this a bit more.. the one I am upset with has well over 600 games going. He did come on the site today.. and played around 100 moves.. now obviously to me he has taken and committed to at least 5 times the amount he can actually handle. He is holding up I don't know how many tourneys in the process. But the move limit on this tourny is already set at 10 days. He has shown over the months that he has played here that he consistantly plays in this manner. where you don't see him for days.. (cause he is in his other account).. yet pops over and catches the tourneys that are just about to time.

I realize this is a turned based site. But, I also realize that someone shouldn't come on this site and purposely take advantage of the liency given to begin with. And it is rather obvious that he is doing this.

Point taken :oD

It's not so new that we can't see that there are problems with it. And why should we wait before we discuss possible changes/improvements? Espionage is newer here than auto-vacation, but we CLEARLY need a captured pieces section. Should we wait before we suggest that too? ;-)

I see your point Thad. All I can say there is, get to know the abusers of auto vacation, and make notes accordingly. I know it isn't practical to make notes on every game, but in time we'll get to know the games where we need to make notes.
Since auto vacation is quite a new thing here, we should probably give ourselves chance to get used to it before slamming it or asking for changes.

that would bite...I wasn't suggesting to change it. I agree, it needs to be a different color.

Oh no, its grey so people don't get mixed up between that and the normal message box. If I remember rightly, it used to be white when the feature was first introduced, but Fencer changed it to grey after a few people got mixed up and gave away their game plan!

True, harley, but usually, in a game delayed by auto-vacation abuse, you don't know that you need to leave yourself a note until long after you made the move.

I see where now...When it is my move, I can add notes After my move. The edit field just looks disabled because it is gray.

You can go back later and add notes if you like. Look at a game where its your opponentes turn, under the board should be 'add note'.

Did the notes feature on games change? It seems to me, that you must add your note before the move now. Whereas, it used to be you could add it after the move. Currently, I don't have any games waiting for me to move, so I can't double check it.

Thad, thats why we have the ability to make notes, so we can record our thoughts on future moves and not forget what we were planning.

Kevin,

When a player starts taking very long between turns of a game that is at a critical juncture, it can be VERY annoying. In chess, for example, most moves are not individual moves, but part of a sequence of moves. If you have to try and remember what you were planning a week or two ago, it takes all the fun out of game playing, at least for me. Multiply that by a few games and the slow play starts to suck all the fun out of BrainKing.

Summertop : Thas a really good idea . And why dont do that to all games , add one columm allow autovacations

how abaout a compromise (like we can do anything about, anyway). When a game or tournament is created, have an option to allow vacations. I don't care whether manual or automatic.

Even if they have 50 games against you...what's the problem? Start 50 more. If this person only moves once a week, then once a week you'll have 50 extra games to play one move on. Or, start 10 more. Or none. Whatever. It doesn't have to be a problem, even if you like to play a move every 2 minutes in every game.

If they don't want to wait for the time limit, they shouldn't have joined the tournament


time limits are reasonable, but autovacation makes a mockery of it, a 5day limit is fine as long as auto vacation doesnt add 1 or two days every move

Interesting way of puting it Kevin...

Now, don't get upset, I am just curious. Are you out of vacation days? The last two games I had with you, you lost to timeouts.

that would be fine if the person who was abusing the system had only 1 or 2 games against you, but when it is alot its annoying, of course they will eventually run out of auto vacation time and time out,

I read and understand your post very well, Steve.

Maxxina: If they don't want to wait for the time limit, they shouldn't have joined the tournament. Rooks still have and always have had 30 vacation days. The only difference now is nothing is required of the user to actively schedule them. So why did all the complaining start now?

Kevin : People in tournament , if it is a prize tournament will be really "happy" wait for someone 2 or 3 years .

read mine again LOL

Read the last sentence of my previous post again.

stupid comment Kevin.
and Why should we take on more games? then struggle to keep up?

What I'd like to know is why rooks are complaining about someone moving slowly against them? I mean seriously - why is it such a big deal if a game (or 50, or 100!) take a year (or 2, or 3) to finish? If you're out of games to play start more. If you're not, play the other games and don't worry about that one.

I like the idea what was said here before , 3 autovacation days for month . It will be fair for everybody . If you go somewhere , you should use your regular holidays what you got in stock :)

thanks to everyone for the thoughts on the auto vacation, I think it is a great idea, and tend to agree that perhaps only a certain number of auto vacations should be able to be used per game, of course those that abuse the system in the new year will quickly run out of days, and will time out

Jules, were you talking to me...I think buy a membership, get all the vacation days entitled. Start a game, take 30 days straight vacation and never have to move for over a month...Is OK. My only request is to change how many of your remaining vacation days can be used (sequentially) automatically.

Game time limits help me order my game play Steve :)

But the way you say, If you've only joined for 3 months you only have 9 days vacation.
I think the current system is fair. Everyone gets the same. Apart from the knight rook differences.

I think there shouldn't be any changes to how vactions are given. Just how they are used. If you manually set up your vacations, great! If you are relying on auto-vacation days, like I said, only give as many as the game's Time Per Move settings.

Its a point to consider though

Stevie, that's not the point of this discussion at all.

more to the point......why on earth are there game move time limits now that auto vacation is here?

You can't carry over vacation days from one year to the next. Unless i'm mistaken :)

Well, then you either enjoyed using most of your accrued vacation in December, or just joined and probably don't have that many games going anyway and can plan accordingly in either event.

How can I plan games, someone else might go on vacation.

As for favouring those who have been here longest.. why? We all pay the same (apart from gold rooks)

What if you wanted to go on a two week ski vacation in January but had only accrued 3 days of vacation time?

Jules,

(asked in a friendly way) Why wouldn't it be fair? True, it favors players who have been here the longest, but if it treats everyone the same, it's fair. Plus, in your example, you'd know far in advance that you were going away July, so you could plan games you start in May/June accordingly. No harm done.

But the whole point of vacation days is that it is to cover vacations and times when things go wrong with your computer :)

People might misuse it, but most don't.

Auto vacations are annoying...but...eventually they will run out. How about this...only allow as many auto-vacation days as the Time per move. For example, if the game has 3 days for the time to move, then only allow three consecutive auto-vacation days. If it allows 2 weeks then allow two weeks of consecutive auto-vacation days. That way, it is still somewhat in line with what the game creator had in mind.

Wouldn't be fair on someone who joins and then 2 months later goes on their annual vacation for 2 weeks.

BBW.. it was a pleasure reading your interview.. and getting to know more about you.. Thanks for sharing..

And Harley.. great job with organizing it.. and putting it together..

:)

Great Idea Thad!! that is a great idea!!

Many people accrue vacation days over time at their jobs. They don't start out with the full allotment of days. If vacation time were handled that way here, it would be much better. Perhaps give out 3 vacation days each month. It wouldn't solve every case of abuse, but it would reduce and/or eliminate many of them and I don't see how it would create any new ones.

Yes.. I agree BBW.. I just checked on the one user that has abused this.. only to learn he has 623 games going.. I don't know how many were in the last few mins.. but, a large portion of his games were in their final hours..

Why is he allowed to have so many games to begin with if he isn't going to play on them..

That's great in theory. But hard to do if your in hospital or your puter has burst into flames and the maker won't do anything about it untill their representative comes down from the City and takes a look at it. Only he's just started his two week vacation.

The only thing I would like to see is possible only allowed to use 5 autovacations at one time (with 2 weekend days, gives a week to get back to the site)

After that, a person would have to manualy set vacation days for them to work.

thanks :)

(you are too fast :))

About 200.

just being curious : what was the most users online on brainking ? and when ? and what is the average about lately ? :)