eagle eye: Sorry to say that but when somebody makes global conclusions about the whole site based on one tournament, it makes me only laugh :-) And if you don't want to start a war here, please don't bring this subject back.

eagle eye: sry ... everything wasnt to You .... because I wrote: If someone ... not .. if YOU! Becasue befor You someone write about racism.....

Luisifer:
I did not use terms "racist", "idiot", and "lier", so lets keep it nice way. I said whatever I said and the way I feel. If you don't like it - I cannot help. Using YOUR terms, this is "DEMOCRACY". Are you trying to say that I cannot do it? It's up to you if you want to continue this discussion, but I have nothing to add. I don't want to start a war here. period.

Luisifer:YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT DONT' PLAY IT!

eagle eye: I made the rules. If You don't like it, make your own tournament with your own rules. If someone write that it is racism or something other ... It is the same as I write about him that he is idiot. I think that he lie (to him self) that it is racism as he can think that I lie that he is idiot. And what is it? IT IS DEMOCRACY! BUT NOT ANARCHY! What is it mean? In Democracy can do everybody everything but nobody can contravene rules! And if someone tell that i am racist i tell that he is lier!

THIS SITE IS EUROPEAN!
THIS IS NOT AMERICA!

Heh, the site is changing its face, and I cannot tell that it make's me happy.
People complaint that IYT is American oriented - don't know, never played there... I can say that BK is going the same path toward Czech: http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=7709&trnst=0&tp=23

I have nothing against any nation, but why somebody will start label things with "Czech only" , "Only for Czech people!!! Nothing to see!!!" - What are you trying to say? The most upsetting part that this is encouraged: "Best regards fly to the following sponsors". I'm very upset with the way thinks turning around.

It's like in the old days: "white only", "my religion is the only religion", etc. Is it a right path to go? Not me to decide - I can only talk.
I thought that this is international site, but I don't think this way anymore.


I guess it's all about money - hey, it's always like this, but this time it was written in black and white: give me the money and I will allow you to do what ever you ask.

Some people really don't care about labels and do it for fun:
http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=6703&trnst=2&tp=41

ughaibu: :)

I guess Fencer was just exercising his freedom of speech thingy in the newsbox.

I have held Gothic Chess tournaments with prize money. Does that mean I "excluded" Backgammon players or players who could not read the English description and understand there was money at stake?

I think anyone who holds a tournament with a prize should be able to specify it however they want.

Tulip: I don't think Czuch meant it the way it sounded. It would be interesting, but then again, it would only depend on what flag each person has listed.

Tulip: uhhhhh.... see below where I updated it to ask for all countrys ;)

Czuch Chuckers:i havent a clue but you only mentioned Czech and Americans?

Tulip: Sure the percentage of all different countrys represented on this site please?

Czuch Chuckers:...LOL..and what about the rest of us?

What is the percentage of members (paying and non paying) who are Czech and those who are American? Does anybody know or know how to find out easily?

Luisifer: that's why I thought it was so great- because you are such a small country. We have the potential to do one as well...and as many as there are of us, it could do alot of good : )

pauloaguia: Thanks! I guess I was more curious as to why nobody was bothered by it, as I have seen far less sensative subject matter get tons of complaints and comments....

Czuch Chuckers: Probably the reason for that tournament to have been announced in the server news is because the prize is a Maharajah membership. Since Kaoz's membership expired we haven't had another Maharajah member around (I think).
It doesn't bother the least to me that it is restricted to checks only, I know it doesn't bother you as well (you stated it) and mostly nobody else... so why stirr up things?

BIG BAD WOLF: My opinion is that it doesnt matter what Fencer does on this site, weather it is racist or not, I dont care. But it still doesnt make it not racist and I was curious of others opinions of this action. I am just pointing this out for discussion, you know, that freedom of speach thingy ? I mean how is pointing out facts causing trouble???? Just cause it isnt pleasant for everyone to think about? Or just because it happens to be our fearless leader? You Libs out there dont mind bashing the president of our country, but make one comment deemed negative about the owner of a web site... and look out!

baddessi: We are very small country. There are (on BK.com) more english speaking peoples than native czech speakers. :) If You are able to stay together, try to find more than only 13 persons. On start I looking for 30 person. But I didnt find .....

Czuch Chuckers: I think that 13 of them stepping up and contributing is worthy of the server news. Yes, many others have individually done a lot for the site, but I thought it was cool that a group banded together for the good of BK.

Antichrist: yes, it is a site created by Fencer who is Czech, but I see people from all over the world playing on here.

Eriisa- that's two of us, 11 to go??? LOL

BuilderQ: It does mention them with a link to their names, does that really matter?

Czuch Chuckers: If it's not your opinion, and this is not a debate board - why even bring it up? All it looks like to me and many others is you just trying to cause trouble.... I mean if it was your opinion, I guess I would understand a little more.... but when it is not even your opinion, then why even bring it up????

The server news does not even name the 13 players, you know.

baddessi: It is not the tournament which I am propossing as racist..... I am pointing out for discussion the possibility that the recognition of 13 Czech members for their contribution of $45.00 in the server news at the exclusion of many others who have contributed more, and to promote in the server news a tournament which has limited membership appeal, is at least inappropriate, and at its worst an act of racism.

(this is just an attempt to stimulate discussion, and not my personal opinion :)

baddessi: And I, to a Farsi speaking tourny! or to a tourny for black-haired men or to one for those who don't have the right arm and the left leg!

Me too, baddessi!!!

AFTER ALL THIS IS A CZECH SITE,NOT AN AMERICAN ONE!

I don't think of it as racist at all. They want a special prize tourney for their country, so be it. Anyone else here is welcome to do the same : )
As Merrily said down the page, there was talk of doing one for English speaking people and wasn't started for lack of interest. The Czechs put their money up, they should be commended, noted on server news and not criticized. If there was more interest, others could do the same. I would donate to an English speaking prize tourney. Anyone else?

Of course I am only playing the 'devils advocate' here. As many know who have discussions with me in politics boards, I disagree with political correctness and all its trimmings. I am for individual freedoms. But it surprises me that the many good liberals on this site who champion socialism and equality among all above all else, have not come forward with your own complaints..... your views would be far more compelling if you werent so afraid to voice them in all circumstances!

Also curious that it was a tournament for only Czech members yet it was worthy for all on brainking to be informed. It could have easily been posted to the Czech version without bothering those of us who are not Czech.

Bry.... atleast you were able to find one good example, you only had to go back a year or two :) At least that example it was actually an issue for all of Brainking and not just one particular race.

Bry: Of course you are right. And it was also advertised on BrainKing.info site and several more places. But some people will always complain about anything, it doesn't matter. That's why I don't see these accusations worth responding from my side.

Czuch Chuckers: I might be wrong, but when LindaJ created the BG tournament that was $5 to enter with a $50 prize, that too was advertised on Server News with public gratitude.

I know who will be number 1 and 2 ;o) :oP

Stevie: Not yet but it might be interesting to observe.

Fencer
does your stats engine log how many times someone has been thrown from any fellowship? LMAO

Czuch Chuckers: It has happened in the past too Chuck
members of CS and friends have been mentioned for special donation attempts, but others havent...so this is not a "race" issue

Purple: I understand that. I am sure those Czech players did not donate for the public gratitude either. It just seems curious that because they all are Czech and the site creator is Czech, that they should recieve public gratitude that others who have donated more have not recieved.

Obviously the quick brush off by Fencer gives some credit to this charge of 'racism'

Czuch Chuckers: Some don't donate for public gratitude.

Czuch Chuckers: More jokes, please! :-) It's highly entertaining after a hard working day.

Bry: I dont think of it as racist..... but my beef is that by the site creator making a public comment of 'endless gratitude' for those Czech players who donated $44.00 U.S. to Brainking, yet we have never seen such public gratitude for others, many who have surly given far more than that sum, that appears to me as a bit racist.

ughaibu: I agree, are Team USA Fellowship or England Thru and Thru racist?

The server news has simply highlighted the tournament that will bring much needed revenue to the site, which I am sure is appreciated. As the Server News says, it's design and layout is upto the creator of it. If they want it for Czech people only, well so be it.

I dont see what's racist about it. Should Bernice's men only and women only ponds be disallowed as sexist? Should beginners tournaments be disallowed as ratingist?

Merrily Watkins: red-haired monks with lisp from Belarus! Where do I sign up?

Im a goodun: Someone tried to do the same for English-speaking players but it was cancelled due to lack of interest.
Of course the site owner is grateful for any revenue no matter from what source. I'm sure he's do the same if a similar tournament was held for red-haired monks with lisps from Belarus.

rod03801: Thank you for your prompt reply! My question was not about the tournament creator, but rarher about the site promoting racist policies through Server News! Does the site owner(s) have any principles on the promotion of racist policies within the site?

Im a goodun: Yes, a tournament creator can set up whatever parameters they want for their tournament. So, it would be perfectly acceptable to do that. Why not become a paid member and do just that? :-)

Is it not a bit racist to advertise a prize, available to players from one country only?
Would it also be acceptable to site policy to promote a prize available to everyone EXCEPT Czechs??

harley:
Im honoured....to be the only one on your list...I would have thought there would have been a couple more??...but thanks anyway...