BrainKing - Vestlusgrupid (Politics)

Tsensor: Vikings

Politics

Forum for discussing local and world politics and issues. All views are welcomed. Let your opinions be heard on current news and politics.

All standard guidelines apply to this board, No Flaming, No Taunting, No Foul Language,No sexual innuendos,etc..

As politics can be a volatile subject, please consider how you would feel if your comment were directed toward yourself.

Any post deemed to be in violation of guidelines will be deleted or edited without warning or notification. Any continued misbehavior will result in a ban or hidden status, so please play nice!!!

*"Moderators are here for a reason. If a moderator (or Global Moderator or Fencer) requests that a discussion on a certain subject to cease - for whatever reason - please respect these wishes. Failure to do so may result in being hidden, or banned."

Vestlusringide loetelu
Sa ei tohi sellesse vestlusringi kirjutada. Madalaim lubatud liikmelisustase sellesse vestlusringi kirjutamiseks on Ajuettur.

Režiim: Igaüks võib postitada

16. aprill 2011, 23:12:46

Mousetrap

näita selle kasutaja postitusi | näita jutulõime | link

Teema: Re: Of course, believing in the unmoved mover, or a similar theistic view of the universe, is an act of faith. Nobody can prove scientifically that there was an "unmoved mover" or a god when the universe was created.

(V): I worked on what i supposed to be the oldest surviving testament of St John. Known as the the St John `s Fragment. Ancient tablets and palm leaves and even I am not convinced o the truth. That is why I am a Humanist. And I prolly seen ancient Bibles that most people will never ever see.

18. aprill 2011, 13:26:13

Mort

näita selle kasutaja postitusi | näita jutulõime | link

Mousetrap: Studying what it means to be human is what I thought the Bible was about. Philosophy, Bushido, Headology and such as that. But maybe it's just I've read/watched the likes of Frank Herbert, Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, Kevin Smith and other great writers.

19. aprill 2011, 17:05:39

Mousetrap

näita selle kasutaja postitusi | näita jutulõime | link

(V):

19. aprill 2011, 21:03:16

Übergeek 바둑이

näita selle kasutaja postitusi | näita jutulõime | link

Artful Dodger:

> You can't "prove" God but you can offer evidence for the existence of an intelligent force at work in the universe. Isn't that what SETI is all about? Proving the existence of an intelligence "out there" possibily on some other planet? And what is it that SETI looks to find? Signs (or evidence) of intelligence.

At the present, there is no evidence of "intelligence" or "life" outside of our planet. The closest we have come to finding life is organic chemicals in meteorites. Beyond that there is no evidence of life anywhere else, but it is quite likely that in the future life could be found in other planets and even in smaller celestial bodies.

As for intelligence, the most intelligent non-human creatures that we have found so far are primates like cimpanzees and gorillas, as well as non-primates like dolphins and even invertebrates like cuttle fish. However, none of them approaches our ability for language and abstract reasoning. We have found no intelligent aliens so far.

Is there an "intelligence at work in the universe"? There is no scientific proof of that. At best there is conjecture, and it is all along the lines of trying to prove that God (the intelligent designer) exists. This is the "intelligent design" argument, a branch of science that so far receives little support in the mainstream scientific community. Intelligent design is creationism repackaged in pseudoscience.

19. aprill 2011, 21:38:52

Mort

näita selle kasutaja postitusi | näita jutulõime | link

Teema: Re: The closest we have come to finding life is organic chemicals in meteorites. Beyond that there is no evidence of life anywhere else

Übergeek 바둑이: Not from the recent shows on Discovery and the likes. It seems life maybe present on moons of other planets in this Solar system. The rules for life being present seem to be found to not be as hard as thought.

20. aprill 2011, 06:11:51

Übergeek 바둑이

näita selle kasutaja postitusi | näita jutulõime | link

Teema: Re: The closest we have come to finding life is organic chemicals in meteorites. Beyond that there is no evidence of life anywhere else

(V):

> It seems life maybe present on moons of other planets in this Solar system.

"Maybe" and "is" are two very different things. "Maybe" implies possibility. "Is" implies certainty. When scientists come out and say "Life is present in other moons ... " then we have certain proof. In the mean time it is all conjecture.