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28. April 2010, 14:14:24
AbigailII 
Emne: Re: fischer clock for tourneys.
Nothingness: 6-8 hours will "punish" average movers. And it will even punish one of the players for being in the wrong timezone.

Considering players come from all over the globe, a bonus of at least 24h/move is required to be fair on all players. Regardless of max. pool time. And regardless of the game being played - be it Espionage or anything else.

28. April 2010, 13:33:57
lukulus 
Emne: Re: fischer clock for tourneys.
Nothingness: It sounds terribly quick. Time bonus should be at least 12 hrs raher more.

28. April 2010, 13:32:29
Nothingness 
Emne: fischer clock for tourneys.
What would be the optimal time setting for an espionage tourney that woudl promote fast play yet would not punish people for being average movers. i thought about a 10 day limit with 6-8 hours bonus plus a 5 day bank. and no vacation enabled. What does everyone think or suggest?

28. April 2010, 00:23:23
Nothingness 
open small = small fast yes

27. April 2010, 10:36:29
Chaos 
Emne: Re: version
Nothingness: open small = small fast?

27. April 2010, 00:44:06
Nothingness 
Emne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: that is the fellowship that i started a while back.

26. April 2010, 22:17:00
Pedro Martínez 
Emne: Re:
Nothingness: What espionage freaks site?

26. April 2010, 21:43:22
Nothingness 
vote on the espionage freaks stie... for your favorite espionage version

24. April 2010, 19:52:29
Nothingness 
Emne: 1,100
I achieved my 1,100 win the other day.. wow....ithink i had close to 1500 on IYT

24. April 2010, 16:11:28
Nothingness 
or we could use the grey areas to either boost or demote generals. like in jungle. you are vulnerable while your in these areas. regardless of rank. but i would prefer a one rank demotion/promotion.

24. April 2010, 16:09:57
Nothingness 
Emne: Re:
lukulus: if you wnat to amase an attack you must either take the chance and reveal or go around. there is always the option of eliminating the move list for this game so that tracking is more difficult. so that the switch strategy from iyt is back in place again.

24. April 2010, 14:58:32
lukulus 
I dislike idea of grey spots. In combination with blocked way i t support defence style dratically. Why would I go into grey area?

24. April 2010, 14:39:41
happy hermit 
Emne: Re: Eruptions
Dark Prince

And a fine point it is.

That is how it is done in Dark Chess and it would be nice if it was done that way here as well.

24. April 2010, 12:09:50
Chaos 
Emne: Re:
Nothingness: You can always track down the piece you've seen once by looking at the move list on the right, so the pieces might as well stay visible. You could replace the vulcanoes by these grey spots. This way you can move the pieces already seen without further revealing and choose to reveal more to gain more movement freedom. I like the idea!

24. April 2010, 00:38:27
Dark Prince 
Emne: Eruptions
Actually I wasn't serious, but making the point that the move list can be detrimental to many possible good game ideas. Maybe the move list should indicate only the player's moves and not those of the opponent.

23. April 2010, 21:15:27
Nothingness 
there is the option of having a specific spot being a "vision area" if you move into this GREY area you will be exposed then vanish once you leave that spot. the game would be played on a open board with GREY areas that are in designated locations (volcano like spots). then it depends on your memory or your tracking ability. So you are not limited in your movement but there is that danger that you have to reveal your pieces. but here is the catch... you have to play with one less spy than normal. Play this on a 10Vx11H board with 4 GREY areas. If the Spy comes into a GREY area he can have SUPER VISION but he is destroyed at the end of your opponents move and any piece that it sees is permanently visible. All other pieces that go into this area will not be destroyed but are just temporarily visble to your opponent. Your pieces will be as follows Two 5s, Two 4s, Three 3s, Four 2s, Six 1s, Four Sapp, and Four Spys. Four bombs, 1 flag. The game is played on a 10x11 board and the grey areas are in the middle on the 2-5-7-10 squares horizontally.

Dark prince has a very excellent idea with the erupting volcano. i like that!

23. April 2010, 18:45:53
Dark Prince 
Emne: Erupting Volcanoes
Caused by a 1 that cannot move a space when causing it but counts as a piece move. The one must be touching the volcano diagonally to cause the eruption. The Eruption destroys any adjacent piece (hor or vert) and freezes pieces within 2 spaces for 2 turns(hor vert and diag) by covering them with ash--applies to both black and white pieces. Frozen pieces cannot be revealed by recons until they thaw, but capture rules are the same as usual. Previously revealed pieces covered in ash are disguised again until revealed by recon...oh wait, that won't make a difference with piece moves tracked in the move list.

23. April 2010, 15:37:33
Pedro Martínez 
Emne: Re:
lukulus: OK, got it. I would use “apply” or “use” instead of “plug in,” but it's just me being me there. :) However, the idea of volcano ash should be taken up! Maybe it can be used to shoot down the skydivers…

23. April 2010, 15:27:16
lukulus 
Emne: Re:
Pedro Martínez: it was one of my fault in English:) It would be plug in instead. Both players can eject aerial in same time.

23. April 2010, 15:24:01
lukulus 
Emne: Re:
happy hermit: may be it is because I am very passive player:) I see your point, but I think it could be very danger if radar is in midst of attack - with ejected aerial it cant move so it blocks own forces and using scan action costs time. May be there would be rule, that after 4 moves w/o action aerial automatically plug in and it cost one turn or so,but it llooks a bit complicated.

For attacking players there shold be parrachutist. It can move by two fields, also jump over vulcano (not ash at all:) and other stones. If landed on occupied field fight will start, if parrachutist win or if field is unoccupied, parrachutist also see all adjusted fields. Move restrictions - parrachutist can move by 2 fields every turn, but jump over occupied field once in two turns. Also after moving by two fields parrachutist is revealed.

23. April 2010, 15:08:47
Pedro Martínez 
Emne: Re:
lukulus: Do I understand it correctly that “rejecting an aerial” is a response of sorts to an aerial ejected by the opponent, preventing the effect of the opponent's aerial?

23. April 2010, 14:28:37
happy hermit 
Emne: Re:
lukulus:

I like the radar piece (and I think you defined it well), but, unless I am missing something, it seems to lend itself to helping a passive player.  In other words, is there a better use of radar than putting it in the front  or second row and using the aerial on Move 1 and leaving it there? 

I think this game, as defined, is played optimally in a defensive posture and any modifications to the rules should be made to benefit the aggressor. 

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a radar piece added if other additions favorable to the attacker were made simultaneously.

23. April 2010, 13:53:24
lukulus 
Emne: Re:
Tilpasset af lukulus (23. April 2010, 15:25:03)
Nothingness: it looks very powerfull, because is movable, but it inspires me to implement radar. It would have this actions actions: 1. move or just stand, in this case it cant see like other normal pieces. 2. eject aerial (cost one turn - in notation it is marked). With ejected aerial are two ather actions available - scan - to see, say,two pieces in all directions (cost one turn, noticed in notation) or plug-in aerial (cost one turn, noticed in notation). With ejected aerial radar cant move. Radar has not passive watching like spy has - it cant see enemy when dont scanning. Radar is very vulnerable and can be destroyed by all other pieces. "Moving" radar can destroy sappers, spies, radar and HQ.

23. April 2010, 13:34:17
Nothingness 
how about a super spy that can see two spaces around it

23. April 2010, 13:16:01
Nothingness 
Emne: Re: Still looking for game variations?
happy hermit: you could also just give that road creating power to an existing piece. everytime a 2 moves he creates a road and when ever an enemy 2 moves into that road that road is destroyed. the 2 is the forgotten piece. but when you are on the road you are vulnerable to attack or perhaps you will be able to lose to a sab regardless of the rank. perhaps the road give you scout abilities from stratego.

23. April 2010, 11:32:49
Chaos 
Emne: Re: Still looking for game variations?
happy hermit: sounds great! Will there be speed limits? What will the strength of the engineer be?

 

I was thinking of a 'super' recon/spy able to see all pieces in the row and column it stands in. The view is blocked by vulcanoes, by bombs and by 'block pieces'. Maybe the 1s could be the blocking pieces?

23. April 2010, 06:24:58
happy hermit 
Emne: Still looking for game variations?
An idea for a new piece, though it may only be interesting on a larger board.

Engineer - Automatically builds a 'road' when it moves.  Any piece on a 'road' may move to any other square lying on the road in one turn.

Not sure if each army should have their own roads and/or be able to destroy roads. Having recons (spies?scouts?, whatever they are called here) positioned on a road revealing enemy pieces that cross the road is also a possibility.

There seems to be both some potential for speeding things up as
well as introducing a new level of complexity with this.  I think larger boards / piece counts would also be possible.

Thoughts?




21. April 2010, 19:35:48
happy hermit 
Emne: Anyone for a game?
I have four games of Open Fast on the waiting list and am happy to get in some games in other variants as well.

14. April 2010, 23:56:45
Nothingness 
Emne: Re: Brainprize tourney
happy hermit: wow that was hard work lol

14. April 2010, 22:57:38
happy hermit 
Emne: Re: Brainprize tourney
Nothingness:

OK.  You talked me into it. :)

11. April 2010, 10:13:31
Justaminute 
Emne: Re:
I agree it would be confusing and I don't seriously expect it to change, it is just a personal gripe with espionage and the reason why I only play small open with any regularity.

11. April 2010, 06:10:30
Nothingness 
To all those entering the brain prize tourney. read the tourney explanation carefully. if you are only going to move once a day this may not be the tourney for you.

10. April 2010, 16:45:15
Nothingness 
Emne: Brainprize tourney

10. April 2010, 16:28:37
Nothingness 
i also feel that there are certain rules that cannot be tweeked. That is one of the baseline rules. it would be like allowing a pawn in chess to move backwards. it would totally change chess theory as it is.

10. April 2010, 12:52:11
Chaos 
Emne: Re: new version
Tilpasset af Chaos (10. April 2010, 12:53:23)
Justaminute: I don't agree with you. As some of you may know I have quite an agressive style. When I attack I use the fact that my opponent cannot move back. For example when I move a piece of the same strength right where my opponent's piece came from. When my opponent can endlessly move back and forth to escape there are several ways of attacking I can't use anymore. Like when the opponent moves between 2 bombs, now it takes 2 moves before this player can move out again. Also if both players keep moving back and forth the game ends in a draw. This will happen a lot.

I think this rule is one of the strong features of espionage. Changing this in an added new version would be very confusing.

10. April 2010, 04:13:41
Nothingness 
Emne: Re: new version
Justaminute: This was discussed many years ago. the majority of the players wanted a more aggresive version of espionage\sabotage. Allowing the move back and forth to the same spot could equate to many more draws. Also it creates a more defensive style ( which i prefer) but being realistic it makes the game bit dull. The game already prefers the aggressor by allowing ties to go to the attacker and not like the original game of stratego where both pieces are removed. This is also an issue with small espionage. the game is broken, more so on IYT, the random volcano fixed that problem to some point. Many other players can comment on this better than i could and with examples...hint hint....

10. April 2010, 00:26:40
Justaminute 
Emne: Re: new version
My vote for a different version would be simply to allow a piece to move back to the square it came from. I think the attacker is always at a disadvantage in closed espionage, particularly the small version and this would eliminate this.

8. April 2010, 13:52:43
Nothingness 
Emne: Re: new version
Sandoz: lol i dont think that the committee exists anymore either but probably shoudl be reinputted once we get the ball rolling again on this site.

8. April 2010, 08:35:26
Sandoz 
Emne: Re: new version
Nothingness:
I am looking forward to your proposal.
Didn't know that the SL commitee still exists :-)

8. April 2010, 08:33:50
Sandoz 
Emne: new version
Just want to come back to our poll, which I haven't forgotten, of course. I think 8 weeks is a proper poll-period for guys who play games and tournaments which often last months or even years. ;-)

Well, according to our poll the most preferred variant is extinction espionage. 4 out of 6 participants voted for this.

For the results in detail please have a look here:
http://www.doodle.com/xcxzd4iidcrz6m2k

8. April 2010, 05:42:38
Nothingness 
Emne: new version
How are we progressing on the new game proposal? i am working a proposal myself which i will present to the SL commitee soon.

4. April 2010, 19:44:11
Nothingness 
the move here was basically the move that lost me the game. i could nto see what was attacning and i was afriad of further penetration. i guess that the piece attacking the three was a sab and i was wrong. and it was all downhill from here.

4. April 2010, 19:34:13
Nothingness 
Emne: game discussion
Small Fast Espionage (Nothingness vs. Varazslo)

Here is a game vs Varsalo i recently completed. the purpose of the post is to show how important vision is and to show how leaving unproductive pieces deep in your opponents territory can be deadly especially while playing partially blind.

30. Marts 2010, 08:20:15
SL-Bosse 
Emne: Re: all espionage players

Nothingness: And so far 28 players has signed up.


Open Espionage League Brain prize Tourney


29. Marts 2010, 21:47:06
Nothingness 
Emne: all espionage players
I have a fast open tourney starting in a few weeks 200 brains to the winner. good luck!

18. Marts 2010, 00:24:51
Styleone 
dmoresco is the winner of Open Fast #1. He wins the final match against Thom27.
Congratulation

12. Marts 2010, 17:20:27
Nothingness 
Emne: rookies!
how is everyone making out with the mentoring? Is the beginners tourney moving along at a nice speed?

10. Marts 2010, 17:31:43
Chaos 
Emne: Re: happy hermit
Sandoz: message from Eric on 18. January 2010:



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</b>Subject: Re: Small Fast Espionage #2

I just withdrew . . . I seem to be on a time-out binge again and rather not impose on anyone else.  :)

Have fun all.

Guess he hasn't got time for BK at the moment. He'll show up later.
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10. Marts 2010, 15:12:38
Sandoz 
Emne: Re: happy hermit
Chaos: ah okay, thanks.
I saw that as well including his huge amount of vacation days shrinking to zero. and now he's close to timing out in at least 150 games including our little espionage battle :-(

10. Marts 2010, 14:31:58
Chaos 
Emne: Re: happy hermit
Sandoz: I can see he hasn't been on the site for a month. This isn't new for Eric. He'll probably show up again within a few months.

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