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<< < 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 > >> 3. February 2006, 07:50:22 Subject: Re: rabbitoid's idea Fencer: Agreed, but the point is that if the lower-rated player has the advantage in a tournament game, this creates an incentive for players to intentionally lose non-tournament games in order to improve their chances in the tournament. 3. February 2006, 07:22:36 Subject: Re: rabbitoid's idea  KotDB: Generally said, when you play in an elimination tournament, you should play to win, not to draw. Yes, it requires a more risky way of playing but that's just an attribute of this system. 3. February 2006, 07:10:00 Subject: Re: rabbitoid's idea KotDB: But that would be harder to keep track of, harder to verify, & harder to code. ;-) 3. February 2006, 00:50:56 Subject: Re: rabbitoid's idea Fencer: In light of Andre Faria's comment, I think it would be better to use the value from the start of the game. Otherwise there may be a strong incentive for players to lose games. 2. February 2006, 22:54:41 Subject: Re: rabbitoid's idea Thad: The BKR value at the moment of accepting the draw is always used. 2. February 2006, 22:48:17 Subject: rabbitoid's idea Just thinking here. If the lower seated player is to advance in the case of a draw, what happens if Al & Bob are playing a tournament match and Al is higher at the start, but then Al loses a regular game to Carl and his rating goes down to below what Bob's is. Al's was higher at the start of the match, but Bob's was higher at the end. So who advances?
Sorry, I don't have a good solution to this, just thought it should be brought up. 2. February 2006, 19:29:50 Subject: Backgammon Modified by Eriisa (2. February 2006, 19:30:26)  Single Elimination Backgammon #2
6 players still needed - Tourney starts 1 day 19 hours from now. *added* but I will start it earlier when it fills up. 2. February 2006, 18:18:43 Very fast 4 players elimination tournament here 2. February 2006, 13:42:51 Subject: CONGRATULATIONS Coudy   for winning the tournament Backgammon & Hyper 2100+ First 8 (Hyper Backgammon)2. February 2006, 13:29:12 Subject: Re: single elimination Modified by Andre Faria (2. February 2006, 15:20:03) furbster: If it would be in a final, I could even lose a game on purpose, just to put my BKR lower, so I could win that tournament... :(
It seems to be that this is not a solution... Imagine a prize tourney being dependent of player's BKR... 2. February 2006, 13:09:39 Subject: Re: single elimination furbster: Do not let them play against eachother in the first round. The player who beats the strongest player in the first round wins. 2. February 2006, 13:06:48 Subject: Re: single elimination  rabbitoid: but what happens if the ratings are so close or even the same eg, 1501 : 1502 2. February 2006, 12:53:33 Subject: Re: single elimination rabbitoid: Yes, that's a good idea. 2. February 2006, 12:37:50 Subject: Re: single elimination I played last month such a tournament and indeed if a low rated player draws a higher rated player, then the latter on losts. In the first rounds the rating differences were big, but the semi-final was close. (I was knocked out in the quarter final) 2. February 2006, 12:34:22 Subject: Re: single elimination Thad: This isn't a problem that only occurs at single elimination unless you play 2 game matches in a normal tournament. By the way, if a game is too unfair (which Chess is certainly not) I wouldn't play it ;-) 2. February 2006, 12:14:36 Subject: Re: single elimination rabbitoid: That still leaves a problem in games line Pente where P1 enjoys a strong advantage. For average players, this doesn't really matter, but just as in Chess where strong play on both sides results in a draw, strong play by both sides will produce a win for P1. 2. February 2006, 12:09:39 Subject: Re: single elimination Fencer: instead of a "no draw" rule, which impossible to impose in chess, why not fix that in case of a draw the lower rated player stays? 2. February 2006, 09:12:39 Subject: Re: single elimination Luke Skywalker:
I would expect only one, or possibly two if a single-elimination tournament can be defined with two games between each pair of opponents. But I've observed that the number of slots they tell you to need often has little or nothing to do with the number of slots you actually need. Caveat emptor. 2. February 2006, 09:11:37 Subject: single elimination and draws  i believe it will be unwise to make single elimination tourney for games boards(chess or checkers) because the possibilities to have draws are high especially on the final rounds unless is used the bkr :) 2. February 2006, 09:09:41 Subject: Re: single elimination Luke Skywalker: Game slots are not used for single elimination tournaments. Because you'll never play more than 1 game at the same moment. 2. February 2006, 09:09:01 Subject: Re: Single elimination Lambik: I might change it. 2. February 2006, 09:00:52 Subject: single elimination how many game slots will pawns and knights need for this kind of tournament? 2. February 2006, 08:50:00 Subject: Single elimination Modified by Lambik (2. February 2006, 08:50:20) Fencer: With single elimination, it is not possible to "draw" a game. But how about games that could not be won? For example a chess game with not enough material (K+N+N against K for example) or what about the fifty moves rule? Some time ago I had a game with three times the same position, but no automatic draw. Is this doable? 1. February 2006, 21:24:23  The Sunshine Club has lots of new tournaments, and some Ponds, for anyone interested!
http://brainking.com/en/ShowFellowship?fid=41 1. February 2006, 19:16:46 Subject: Re: single elimination Fencer: oh cool!
I didn't realize that they will start as filled! That is awesome!!!! 1. February 2006, 19:08:45 Subject: Re: single elimination Luke Skywalker: Yes, this is a known issue. A side effect of new features :-) 1. February 2006, 17:35:46 Subject: Single elimination backgammon Modified by Eriisa (1. February 2006, 17:37:45) I have 2 tourneys set up. Lets try them out!
Single Elimination Backgammon (set up for 4 players each....) # Backgammon # Nackgammon # Crowded Backgammon # Hyper Backgammon Single Elimination Backgammon #2 16 players needed 1. February 2006, 16:46:09 Subject: Re: single elimination Luke Skywalker: very good point, in fact i've just been looking for it, adn i decided it'd been deleted since my lunchbreak. 1. February 2006, 16:44:26 Subject: single elimination this tourney
http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=13412&trnst=0 has already started, but not enough people have singed up for some of the games. When the tourn was still in the "signed" state, it stated a deadline of 29 days until those would be deleted. 2 problems: - the deadline is not stated now - the tourn is not listed in the "signed" category anymore, so people probably won't find it and won't know that they still can sign up for it. 1. February 2006, 16:39:37 1. February 2006, 11:06:37 Subject: Re:  Fencer: aha! you clever devil!  (and excellent coder, i might add! ;)1. February 2006, 10:44:25 Subject: Re: plaintiger: It is currently disabled because I need to test it first. But I'll enable it soon (by uncommenting one line in the source code ).1. February 2006, 10:31:01 question: how does one *start* a tournament with an entry fee? i don't see any options for it in the tournament setup pages. thanks... 1. February 2006, 10:20:04 Subject: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee Fencer: Oh, then I misunderstood this ;) By the way, it's nice to see the tournaments marked after joining. 1. February 2006, 10:13:28 Subject: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee Retep: It was just an example. Nobody says the prize must be always only 25%. The tournament I've just created has 40% prize for the winner. 1. February 2006, 09:45:29 Subject: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee Modified by Retep (1. February 2006, 09:45:44) I agree with arpa, that's very "unpleasant"! This:
# The tournament will not be started until the first prize reaches at least a double of the entry fee. Players are informed about this status on the tournament page. # means a prize tournament can't be started with less than 8 players. 31. January 2006, 23:17:18 Subject: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee Modified by arpa (31. January 2006, 23:18:09)  Fencer: 1) tomorrow? i don't know this! wonderful!
2) oops ... i change that word in "unpleasant" ok? 31. January 2006, 23:04:59 Subject: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee arpa: Why don't you wait for tomorrow? The S-B is already fixed, it just needs to be uploaded.
Btw, I don't like the word "stealing". 31. January 2006, 23:01:34 Subject: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee see Help page
8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee instead of .... The tournament will not be started until the first prize reaches at least a double of the entry fee. 8 players it's the same. same page ....The tournament is defined with these prizes: 25% to the winner, 10% to the second place and 5% to the third place.... I think 60% "loss" is an stealing ... 20% are reasonable (50% 20% 10%). NECESSARY REWIEW S-B CALCULATION (today are incorrect)!!! see(for example): http://senseis.xmp.net/?SonnebornBerger 31. January 2006, 22:27:09 Subject: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee arpa: Huh? 30. January 2006, 06:12:58 Subject: Congrats to imsoaddicted for being #1  at Dark Battleboats in the tourney Scarlets Springtime Follies".
      30. January 2006, 03:14:06 Subject: Do you like spiders? Sider line 4 first 8 to sign, two games each, under 2000 rating.
http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=13388&tri=83887&trnst=0 29. January 2006, 15:10:44 Subject: Re: Moving tournaments aloong Walter Montego: I am not working on it.  But I plan to do so.29. January 2006, 14:38:51 Subject: Re: Moving tournaments aloong  Fencer: This will be a very good improvement. I'm glad you're working on it. Good luck. 29. January 2006, 12:51:23 Congrats to CameronsDad for winning Speed Gammon #2's Backgammon Race! 29. January 2006, 12:21:02 Subject: Re: Moving tournaments aloong Walter Montego: Simply said, when it's clear than one (and only one) player would have more points than anybody else, regardless of results of the unfinished games of the same section, he can be declared as the winner. In all other cases when S-B points could affect the final order, it's more complicated and it's safer to wait until everything is completed. << < 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 > >> |
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