ustica tnp: thats not the reason for the top 10 being the way it is . i started yrs ago & only started with 1500 . now they start them off much higher & the winning streaks i see these newbies have is incredulous. . but most all drop like a stone. others a few are able to stay 1900+ . look ustica a machine is calling the turn. you see when you're going good you win on kickers ,river , etc. when things are going bad ,you have a k spades & 1 player has the nut ace . i don't know if each day some chairs give out better hands than others. i'm sure you've had sessions where you didn't see a pic card for an hr . i understand your beef . but i doubt things will change . most games i see now are heads up affairs. you get 4 players or more much less than in the golden age (: .most days theres no game to play . if you look back in forum you'll see i've made comments some time back which availed naught g/l when we meet again mook