Fencer: & one more -> JoshiTM's all open single game Eliminator 8 #5

RED CODE- the last 3 have been red actually!

furbster: 6 codes left.

Fencer: 5? hehe

furbster: Hehe, yes.

On the log in page, it says 99,997 registered players.
So, I thought that was neat, someone pretty soon, is going to be registered user # 100,000

However, when looking at the player list, as of right now, when I'm typing this, the most recent new user is user #100,103

I assumed it would match up. Just curious why it doesn't?

rod03801: That's because there used to be a function "delete user" 10 years ago. A couple of deleted accounts caused this difference.

Tanein: 99999

I see there are 100001 Brain King users now! Congratulations ;)

joshi tm: Thanks.
One hundred thousand users and only 4 bonuses left! I would not be surprised if they are gone before Christmas.

One hundred thousand usersof which 400 are real people ..998,600 are multi nics! and only 4 bonuses left!

Bwild: Thank you for expressing your level of thinking. Now please come back when you have something meaningful to say.

Fencer: just sayin....

I'd be curious to know how many of the 100,000 users have logged in in the last week, month, and year (or maybe six months). Seems like that would give the best indicator of just how many users there are here.

Thad: there are those that repeatedly log in under different user names on a dailly basis. throws a big wrench in the numbers game....but hey....looks good on paper. lol

Bwild: So what's your point?
Of course BK has not 100000 active distinct users. Nobody thought that.
You believe that FaceBook has 800000000 active distinct users??

Bwild: OK, then it would at least give us an upper bound, no? And a better one than the 100,000 we have now. ;-)

Thad: I get the feeling that the number of active members in slowly decreasing; it seems increasingly difficult to fill tournaments up. But I don't know, it's only a hunch. Maybe Fencer can enlighten us?

Aganju: just shedding a little light through the darkness....but hey some DO care.

pedestrian: Which time frame are you looking at with that statement?
When I joined in July, I went into any tournament I could find. After a while, I had over 600 running games, so I slowed down considerably. Then, Adventure X and the Continental Championships started, which gave me 800 more games, so I even removed myself from some pending tournaments.
My point: can such large tournaments make the kind of impact you see?
Once I get back down under 500 games, I will start joining again, and maybe many others too?

Aganju: Not looking at any particular time frame, actually. I'll more or less sign up for anything, unless the tournament is designed to take decades.

You can go to the players list: http://brainking.com/en/PlayerList?a=ap

There, you can click on the headers and easily see how many people have logged into the site in the past XXX time frame

coan.net: Thanks, that's great - very helpful! Now we're getting somewhere :-)

pedestrian: Well, realistically, 'active' would mean to me logged on in the last weeks, not even a month, so we look at less than 3000 active users.
On the other hand, that's a lot of people to play with!

Aganju: Yes, the number of active profiles is probably in the 2000-3000 range. 

pedestrian: The multi-nick (or 'cheater') topic has been discussed a lot, also on other game sites.
On the server end, there are some pretty efficient ways to catch them:
1. IP address comparison.
2. Whenever a user logs on, store the IDs that logged off in the previous three minutes. After ten times, if the same ID is in the list too often, it's with high probability a multi nick.
3. Compare the lists from 1. and 2. with who plays whom. Same user IDs come up, there you go.

You can imagine that with some fiddling and tuning, this would be rather efficient. Unfortunately, you need to have server access, as the IP address for example is otherwise private data.

The next question would be - what do you do with multi-nicks? Delete them and lose all running games? Remove any positive rating efffects from playing between them?

Aganju: In my experience, a significant number of multi nics on this site, are here for other reasons than cheating. Many have mind games going on, rather than board games.

rod03801: Yes, that's my impression too. But how many are there? Out of the 2000 to 3000 active profiles, how many are here to play (board!) games, and how many are just hanging around? To estimate those numbers, I guess you would have to have access to the server and do what Aganju suggests.

pedestrian: Oh, I'm not one of the real "paranoids". There are a few people here that think every new person is someone else.

Of course those are the ones who probably have the most accounts. LOL

rod03801: "Of course those are the ones who probably have the most accounts. LOL"
I'd have to agree

Don't forget the bk-"closet". Fencer deleted 106 'members', they continue to live in a parallel universe and may as well control the fate!

Aganju: I don't totally agree when you say that we can catch a multi nick with the comparison of the IP address, because it can happen that several members of a same family play with the same PC and don't cheat.
Example : one of the member of the family makes his moves and when he has finished, the other one logs on the site and plays, and each one has his own nick. It happens with teenagers who don't have enough money to get their own PC.

pedestrian: To fill tournaments the number of paying members is, I would suggest, a better measure than active members. It is also a lot easier to keep track of. Currently rooks 432, Knights 55 and Bishops 20.

Justaminute: Good point! Although some paying members are no longer active.

Justaminute: You forget the eternal premium members, 106 other Black Rooks and a Black Knight.

Mélusine: I thought about that, yes, and I actually know a family that does it. I meant that all three in combination give a pretty good indicator (and members of the family might even play each other a lot, which is absolutely ok). So maybe there are more indicators needed...

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