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16. Marzo 2005, 14:37:31
WhisperzQ 
Asunto: Re: oh right we have no fisherboard yet ... :)
danoschek: Sorry I can't reply to your pm directly regarding this board as you have me on hide. I was going to sort of agree with you but now I can't and your stunt is not appreciated.

16. Marzo 2005, 14:41:51
WhisperzQ 
Asunto: Re: oh right we have no fisherboard yet ... :)
BTW as there is no Fischer Random Chess board (yet) discussion of this variant is also welcome here. [Fencer, if you read this, then maybe you could change the description to include it. Could also combine with Fortress Chess too, if you like, as they are all very similar.]

16. Marzo 2005, 14:44:11
Mort 
From what I've seen Fencer has no intention of creating a board for Fisher chess. It's more likely that (from what I saw on BK board) he is going to shrink the smaller boards due to the low usage of them. If people want a Fisher Chess board that badly then it can be asked for either on the BK board or on Feature requests.

17. Marzo 2005, 01:22:30
danoschek 
Asunto: ooops :D
settings changed ... ... - and I too think three
boards could go as one fisher/corner/fortress that is ...
last not least, avoiding chessfree bubbles,here a cornergame with a pure mate ... ~*~

17. Marzo 2005, 07:34:51
WhisperzQ 
Asunto: Re: ooops :D
danoschek: Thanks ... and ...
You say this is a pure mate ... what do you mean by "pure"?

19. Marzo 2005, 00:07:33
Nasmichael 
Asunto: Re: Redsales' proposal
Modificado por Nasmichael (19. Marzo 2005, 00:07:53)
redsales: " (To WhispersQ): The problem with this game is that it's really a training game to get the players to figure out the moves. It was not intended for FM-IM-GM class players!" Correct. It makes for good discussion between the veteran player (Maharajah) and the novice. It is still an entertaining idea, and more "uneven chess" like this makes for good teaching tools, solved or not.

20. Marzo 2005, 11:12:53
SMIRF Engine 
Asunto: All Chess960 startpositions at one page
Hi all Chess960 friends,

the Chess Tigers have published a very compact summary consisting of two tables,
from which any of the 960 existing starting positions easyly could be derived.

It seems as if this page actually is available in German language only.

Go to http://www.chesstigers.de/index.php?id=4 (Chess960) an use the link

"zu den Startpositionen und Regeln ..."

Regards, Reinhard.

20. Marzo 2005, 17:00:35
danoschek 
Asunto: Re: ooops :D
WhisperzQ: sorry I meant
'pure pattern' thanks for correcting ... ~*~

21. Marzo 2005, 07:00:13
WhisperzQ 
Asunto: Re: ooops :D
danoschek: wasn't intended to be a correction as the the term "pure pattern" still has me puzzled too ... can you enlighten me?

21. Marzo 2005, 20:20:04
danoschek 
Asunto: Re: ooops :D
WhisperzQ: eheh !
hard to explain ... don't you think this single knight
unveiling the weakness of joined forces is pure beauty ? .. ~*~

22. Marzo 2005, 15:09:33
WhisperzQ 
Asunto: Re: ooops :D
danoschek: I think it is extremely insightful (and incisive) and beautiful too ... just thought it might have been a technical term which I hadn't come across before ... maybe others will have similar games (positions) to share :)

31. Marzo 2005, 10:46:15
nabla 
Asunto: Some history
Just to make some facts straight : the game of Anti Chess, more often called Losing Chess or Suicide Chess, is more than 100 years old, and the rules used here are the standard ones. For some more details, here is an historical research by John Beasley : http://www.pion.ch/Losing/LCLIT3AR.html.
The game has been studied a lot, by hand and by computer. Here is an opening book which should avoid you a lot of early trouble : http://catalin.francu.com/nilatac/book.php.
My personal homepage has tons of information too, but available only in French language.

31. Marzo 2005, 10:47:54
nabla 
Asunto: nabla
Hmm, the links below should read without a dot at the end, so http://www.pion.ch/Losing/LCLIT3AR.html and http://catalin.francu.com/nilatac/book.php

1. Abril 2005, 02:33:06
WhisperzQ 
Asunto: Re: nabla
nabla: If it is okay with you I will add the links to description above then they will always be available for those who are interested without going back through the discussion history ... okay?

Cheers WQ :)

4. Abril 2005, 10:48:49
imalowlevelplay 
Asunto: suicide chess links
are u too interested in suicide chess(aka antichess or vinciperdi)?great!
here are great links,take a look:
http://www.pion.ch/general/liens.php?norep=5 ( in french) translate with google
http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/ICGA/games/losingchess/start.html (though this one seems down,dont understand why)
http://www.matf.bg.ac.yu/~andrew/suicide/
http://www.acc.umu.se/~sanden/suicide/index.html

4. Abril 2005, 11:32:32
sdf 
Asunto: links

5. Abril 2005, 07:04:38
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:05:10
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:05:25
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:05:40
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:05:54
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:06:07
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:06:29
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:07:47
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:08:00
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:08:12
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:09:12
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:09:34
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:10:05
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:11:31
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
A tournament has been created to honor Mr. Ed Trice:

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=8217

Let's hope Mr. Trice joins. His intelligence and courage will be a a great asset in this endeavour.

5. Abril 2005, 07:17:31
Walter Montego 
Asunto: Re: Ed doesn't play Dark Chess
Modificado por Walter Montego (5. Abril 2005, 07:36:16)
Andromedical: Or if he does, he doesn't play it on this site. I have asked him to play at various times and he's turned me down by not responding. Perhaps you should have the tournament games in games that he actually plays on this site?
I know that him and quite a few other regular Chess, Gothic Chess, and Janus Chess players have no problem or would have no problem beating me at those games, but I hold my own against them in Dark Chess.

5. Abril 2005, 12:45:55
grenv 
Asunto: Re: Ed doesn't play Dark Chess
Walter Montego: He doesn't play dark chess for the simple reason that he couldn't possibly win every game.

6. Abril 2005, 20:29:59
Kili 
The reason is easy: there is not a software machine for playing dark chess.

6. Abril 2005, 20:34:32
grenv 
Asunto: Re:
Matarilevich: lol. There could be, though it would be a lot more difficult to program well!

6. Abril 2005, 20:45:46
Walter Montego 
Asunto: Re: Ed doesn't play Dark Chess
grenv: Ain't that the truth? This fear of losing is making him not try new games. It's a shame in a way. As smart as he is preported to be, we'd really have our hands full if he got good at Dark Chess. There's no way around it though, even if you are good you will lose games. I've lost some to people who were just learning the game. And while you're learning the game, it's a given that you'll take some lumps and lose a few too. Maybe after Alex wins that marathon Chess game between them the burden will be off and he can branch out and try some new things.

8. Abril 2005, 09:26:57
PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 
Modificado por PhatPlaya 臭臭小指 (8. Abril 2005, 09:27:15)
Unfortunately Mr. Trice refused to play in the tournament. He limits himself to chess variants in which he can win 100% of the time.

11. Abril 2005, 14:34:35
nabla 
Asunto: Re: nabla
WhisperzQ: Sure, no problem ! There was also a very fine endgame database server (up to 4 pieces) by Lenny Taelman, but this one went down recently :-(

11. Abril 2005, 20:00:20
Thad 
Asunto: Re: nabla
nabla: Yes, I believe it was here. Does anyone know if there is another version around anywhere?

11. Abril 2005, 21:37:26
mangue 
The website of nabla contains valuable resource for antichess and do not miss his delicious Antichess exercices :-)

http://www.pion.ch/Losing/endex.html

12. Abril 2005, 14:14:14
WhisperzQ 
Asunto: Re:
I didn't realise this was your site Nabla ... I will add it above with a reference to the "home" page for AntiChess. Unfortunately for me it is in French (I will have to get my daughter to translate LOL).

17. Abril 2005, 09:45:29
SMIRF Engine 
Asunto: Huge response for the first Chess960 Computer World Championship
Hi friends of real chess programming!

In a very interesting article (German language) from the Frankfurt Chess Tigers
you can learn that there are already 20 participants. Thus it will be an event
huge and relevant for chess programming in August 2005, where the engines will
have o calculate from the beginning, not where a huge opening library might end.

See article at: http://www.chesstigers.de/ from 2005-04-17.

Reinhard.

17. Abril 2005, 11:28:32
SMIRF Engine 
Asunto: Chess960 positions and rules condensed
Modificado por SMIRF Engine (17. Abril 2005, 11:30:06)
Hi Chess960 friends,

again I point to the fine PDF document from the Frankfurt Chess Tigers.
You can find and download the PDF document (in German language) from the very
interesting Chess Tigers' home site at: http://www.chesstigers.de/download.php
( please search there for the link: Chess960 Startpositionen und Regeln ).

Regards, Reinhard.

28. Abril 2005, 09:57:31
Bruce 
Asunto: PGN Viewer for LOOP CHESS
Do you know anybody PGN viewer for replay PGN files from LOOP CHESS ! I try classical PGN viewer, but there cannot replay notation e.g. 13. B@d6 B@e7 ... Thanks

28. Abril 2005, 10:03:34
Luke Skywalker 
Asunto: Re: PGN Viewer for LOOP CHESS
Bruce: Try Winboard http://www.tim-mann.org/xboard.html or look at freechess.org for other interfaces to the chess server.

28. Abril 2005, 10:23:09
Bruce 
Asunto: Re: PGN Viewer for LOOP CHESS
Luke Skywalker: It´s OK :-) Thanks

28. Abril 2005, 16:01:51
nabla 
I vote that Ra5-a5 is a perfectly legitimate Cylinder Chess move. Do we know whether BK allows it ?

28. Abril 2005, 17:07:14
Caissus 
Modificado por Caissus (28. Abril 2005, 17:07:48)
Interface "Babaschess" is able to replay crazyhouse/loopchess pgn-games,but you have to change a little bit the pgnformat.
http://www.babaschess.net

28. Abril 2005, 20:28:59
Expired 
Asunto: Re:
nabla: It doesn't. I think it's not a nice move either. to me a 'move' has to be with some sort of a change in the board.

28. Abril 2005, 20:49:19
Luke Skywalker 
Asunto: Re: Re:
reza: I agree

29. Abril 2005, 13:08:35
Luke Skywalker 
Asunto: Ra5-a5
Another reason why this should not be allowed:
A "move" is not the action of a piece travelling, but the action of putting a piece on a free square (or occupied by opponent, but that doesn't apply here). Since a5 is occupied, the R can't move there

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