furbster: that is correct

and i don't think pawns can delete games, so they can't delete the other in the case of two seperate games.

Princess Alison: Like all but the occasional bad apple, you're no cheat. But Tiyulee has discovered that players who value people and honour less than rating points, even those scored in an empty way, can exploit the Fischer's clock.

For example, they'll offer a one hour game with a one hour bonus. A player, the victim, accepts in the belief that the game wlil be played in an hour or two and that the offer is from someone who's using the clock because they want swift action. Instead the cheat waits for the entire hour before making their move. This gives them another hour from the bonus. Even if the victim player plays immediately, the cheat will delay for a further hour. A few hours later the game has still hardly begun but, as Tiyulee says, life and/or sleep causes the victim to make a last move then reluctantly log out. An hour or so later the axe falls. Chalk up a shameful victory for the cheat.

There are very few people like that but all sites have one or two. Sociopaths like to play games too, even if they aren't the games that normal people play. At VogClub, there's a player who offers matches which have a total time of 2 minutes (it's a real-time site). This is for a 64-point match! Obviously you can hardly finish a single game in two minutes, let alone a 64-point match, so the whole thing is an exercise in who can click the fastest. Unsuspecting players (uncountable and I was one) come to the table without realising that it's got a ridiculous time limit. A few moves later having pondered on how badly the cheat is playing and how best to take advantage of the poor moves, the game is over. And it's a shock! The cheat also pretends to not know what's happening and acts all concerned. Then, when you cotton on (usually after another player has filled you in on this guy), the cheat gets all blase - "it was done to me, sob, sob, so I do it to others". Very pathetic.

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The other exploit that Tiyulee is exposing is where the cheat offers to play two games of a game type that has a bias in favour of one side, usually white. Pente, for instance, is won by white in 53% of games but only 47% for black. That's 13% more wins for white than black (53/47 = 1.127). The cheat offers two games with alternating colours but deletes the match in which he is black.

I'm explaining this one without having witnessed it myself. I haven't played any two-game matches and deleted one of the games, so I don't know if it's actually possible. It makes sense that deleting the first game will delete the match and that deleting the second is not allowed at all (otherwise what happens to the match?). So perhaps Tiyulee is referring to two separate single-game matches of one colour each.

Princess Alison: I think Tiyulee isn't accusing you or other people who like to play quick games. Only people who offer a one-hour-per-move game and move at the end of each hour. After a few hours the opponent might need sleep or cannot wait still another hour for the next move. Then the opponent will time-out

Tiyulee: I think i have to disagree with you here. I play one hour games on a regular basis, and i am sure that when my games are sitting in the "waiting games" list, showing its a one hour game, u know whether u can complete the game within the time or not, if they cant they wont accept the invite. I always put one hour games in there and have never hoped that my oponent will time out because he/she needs sleep.

I think it is no problem to spot the players who score by just one colour.
And again my humble apology, I forgot the headline is reproduced, thanks.

tehual: You're welcome - Okay, without naming anyone in my humbly subordination, it is no personal comment to report a catch seen several times: Players offer balanced games to pretend they are sportsmen but delete the why so understandably incovenient balance later, giving a obviously false reason. Another trick is to offer a one-hour-per-move game to move just once per hour then, presumed the victims are chosen appropriately, a nice ratings boost is to be expected, as the average human needs to sleep sometimes and will time out, thus.

Only got 6 left with my turn! lol

furbster: You could try playing some games!!

I know! Am just bored tonight, nothing to do ... and i'm not tired.

furbster: Personal comments about players aren't really acceptable, thats why I'm deleting :o)

Oo a lot of deletin going on here, i read both though nanananana *runs*

Walter Montego I did what u said , and clicked on that particular game and it showed every game i had played since i first joined, so thank u very much .

Gamek: Sounds like ol' Fencer's been a busy boy adding that feature since I last looked up someone else's games. I'll have to check it out sometime. Thanks for the tip.

There you go Princess Alison, all sorts of ways to find games you might be looking for.

Walter Montego: Walter you can see all the games any two players played against each by clicking on a game played between those two players and then next to the number of games they played you would see 'show games', if you click on that all the games show up between those two players.

OK, thanks for everybodys replies

Princess Alison: Go to your own profile and click on the game of your choice. If you want a particular person you go to their profile and choose games played with yourself. If you want to see how someone played against somebody besides yourself, this site doesn't support that directly. You can use the "Find in page" option of your browser to find particular opponents or yourself.

Yes, I've seen some people that have a series of games with one person that numbers in the thousands. I have a few that have more than twenty.

Walter Montego: But what about all the games i have played, lets say , over a 3 month period

Princess Alison: Only by game type and that's split by year as well. The entire list for a prolific and long term member would be humongous!

Walter beat me to it

Vikings: ALl the games that i have played against someone

Princess Alison: yours or someone elses?

Princess Alison: That's one of the original features of this site. Go to the person in question's profile and view completed games. All of them are there. You may also choose to view just the games this person has played against yourself.

Fencer: Is it possible to pull up a list of all the games that someone has played on here?

harley: Yeah i was thinking the same after i left previous message , sorry

Princess Alison: Actually, no. I don't see why you wouldn't make a good mod. But you're off topic now

harley: Now, u r joking arent u

Princess Alison: you'd be great!

harley: Do u think i have the makings of a good Mod Harley

Princess Alison: I'm trying not to be a Thanksgiving spoilsport! But it would be better on general chat

I thought this was a brainking chatty thingy and everybody is talking about thanksgiving lol

Eriisa: yes they do! one just after the last snow and one just before the first snow! i think july 1st and 3rd should be just about right! lol

Rose: It oughta be! Don't ya'll deserve 2 Thanksgiving Days???

Rose: Ah, I stand corrected, beggin' your pardon. I read in Wikipedia that Thanksgiving was a Canadian celebration as well, but - oops, wrong day!

That good wish needs a streeeeeeeetch to reach the right day.

playBunny: Why Happy Thanksgiving day to Canada? It isnt Thanksgiving day here

Indeed, a Happy Thanksgiving to Canada and America.

Kipling: happy thanksgiving

Another great relaxing day of fun and conversation.
Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate.

Uncensored General Chat.

'Adults' only

Stevie: baiting is allowed on GC now, just replying to it that's not. :)

bumble: asterixs are only way to have got the point across just now.


I know Fencer is on there,,, but its you guys who do the modding..
Anyways, this is getting away from the subject..

I would like to make an official complaint to the Globs and mods and Fencer,
I feel ive been wrongly banned permanently from the gen chat board by a Glob.. a biased one.. and nothing was done to the instigator of the incident

How about a swear box on here, for every swear word deduct one brain point

Stevie: Fencer is in the Cave.

Asterisks to replace letters in swear words aren't allowed either.

bumble: does that include baiting Bumble?
Another cave Glob comes to the fracas eh

Stevie: As this is an international site people should be aware that some words don't travel the Atlantic well. Words that are taboo in the UK are acceptable in the US and vice versa. Ideally all these words should be best avoided. The English language is rich and you don't have to use vulgar words or colloquialisms.
The way these words are used and in what context also go towards the moderating decision. Most, if not all, public board moderators are aware of the variations in meaning of different words and act accordingly.
There are many ways of asking someone to 'go away'. Unfortunately, the variation you chose was unacceptable.
The bottom line is, be nice or don't post.

I also think if this subject is to be pursued further then it would be wise to take it to an appropriate fellowship or privately, away from public boards.

NOT a floosie: over the two years Ive been on here, ive seen the "angry" version used and left plenty of times on various public boards,, yet I use the short version in retaliation to a bait,, and I get what I now find out is a permanent ban from gen chat.. yet the baiter gets nowt. This dont make sense to me.
If we are going to mod the same then If an American says the ladies name Fa**y or use it to mention their butt... then cos in the UK it means female genitalia.. then someone mentioning their friend Fa**y will get banned also

get my drift? there are many more

Stevie: Which discussion board did you see this on?

Fencer: why can Americans use the word "******" on here, and I cant use **** ?

Maybe modding needs looking into and your mods need to be kept in a non biased state

tazman7474: Anyway, it's not supported in the system to suspend the time only for selected game types.

Fencer: i was just curious. it doesn't matter much to me anyways, i only have a couple of boats games going right now.