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6. märts 2010, 06:56:58
Vikings 
Teema: Re: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".
Ferris Bueller: The Michael Moore movie being endorsed by the Huffington Post right above it says it all

6. märts 2010, 06:06:21
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Some of Sarah Palin's "ideas".

6. märts 2010, 02:20:38
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Declare yourself the winner.
Artful Dodger:  All sides "declare themselves" the winner.  Does anyone really "win" such debates?  It's all about who is spinning it.  No one is going to admit they "lost" a debate.

6. märts 2010, 01:14:43
Vikings 
Teema: Re:
Artful Dodger:The word " Ignorance" is one thing, but the word "Ignorant" is personal and is not needed

6. märts 2010, 00:23:38
The Col 
Teema: Re:
Artful Dodger: It may surprise you, but I'm not an avid reader of this board,I only pop in periodically.So making an assumption that I'm well read on your(or anyone elses) overall philosophy is not accurate.Would you like to send me a bio?

6. märts 2010, 00:19:26
Snoopy 
Teema: Re:knife crime
(V): but my point is
you can run has many knife amnesty has you want
it DOSN'T mean they work
its a very sore point for me right now has a school friends sister was knifed to death last year and the court case is running now

5. märts 2010, 23:46:45
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Re: Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".

(V):  & "Red Dawn".  LOL  Those obsessions did not end w/ the end of the Cold War. In the US, some people are scared of any gov't services for fear that it will lead to Soviet style Communism.  A lot of it is great theater put on by the right & insurance cos, like pro wrestling - especially those fake thugs at town hall meetings this summer & the "Tea Parties".  But, it does little to help political dialog.  I think real HC reform will come one day in this country once this facade is peeled away.


Just got one of those "push" telephone calls from the far right - trying to scare me about Obama's HC plan.  It would be hilarious if so many people didn't buy into that kind of crap.  I get to see the right & all its glory living in South Carolina, LOL.


Funny thing is, they are now laying off teachers & eliminating services to the Handicapped in full force in this state.  Parents are now having take care of those family members with severe mental retardation at home.  The average citizen is in an uproar, but they voted for Mark Sanford twice.  Aside from his little tryst in Argentina, he's tried to block all Federal Funds from comming into this state, mainly because he wanted to show up Obama.  Now, even Republicans here are in an Uproar.


5. märts 2010, 23:45:10
rod03801 
Teema: Re:
Artful Dodger: This won't be debated on the board, thanks. People are calling each other stupid. It's not necessary to talk about politics with this sort of thing.

5. märts 2010, 23:34:56
rod03801 
This is not directed at any ONE person, but this needs to be done without getting personal. We ALL already know this.

Thanks in advance.

5. märts 2010, 23:23:31
Pedro Martínez 
Teema: Re: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector
Artful Dodger: Don't envy, old man. There is still the Third Age University for you to go too!

5. märts 2010, 23:22:38
The Col 
Teema: Re: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector
Artful Dodger: Dude, why does it always end up getting into personal jabs with you?

5. märts 2010, 22:46:56
Mort 
Teema: Re: Being called a Socialist is not going to change my views, but, it does for a lot of people in this country.
Ferris Bueller: But that was only because of the cold war and the likes of MaCarthyism and "duck and cover"..

.. Guess the fact that the USA having enough WMD's to kill the world several times over if they launched just didn't register on the scare meter in the US....

Reagan got it after watching "The Day After".

5. märts 2010, 22:43:38
Mort 
Teema: Re: nd the majority of US citizens oppose socialism.
Artful Dodger: Which type?

And you do seem to be saying that you don't mind being ripped off by business. It's a crinimal offense over here!! Trading standards being as they are part of the consumer system. ;)

5. märts 2010, 22:41:19
Mort 
Teema: Re:knife crime
Snoopy: When there was a BIG amnesty some years back. It needs to be kept as an on going thing, manufacturing making knives so cheap!!

5. märts 2010, 22:39:47
Mort 
Teema: Re:This is precisely why the amendment was put in the constitution
Vikings: Pennsylvania "minority report" ...

".....That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals"

Ok.. some words from long past. I mean.. when the right was made, machine guns were not around.

5. märts 2010, 20:56:59
The Col 
Teema: Re: The LBJ daisy ad
Artful Dodger: So you're basically saying,you don't mind being ripped of, as long as it's done by the private sector

5. märts 2010, 20:55:29
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Re: Felons & firearms
Tuesday:  Your Answers.com citation states, "Federal law provides significant penalties for felons in possession of weapons, unless the felon has his rights restored by the convicting state".  That means that Federal law allows for the states to restore legal gun ownership to a felon.  Many states usually do so after a period of time depending on the felony.  Same with voting rights.

5. märts 2010, 20:46:47
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Re: The LBJ daisy ad
Jim Dandy:   I frankly don't care if its "Socialism" or not.  Health reform is the right thing to do to provide proper safety nets for our citizens today & stop the bleeding of spiraling HC cost.  If that is "Socialism", I guess happy to associate with it.  SS was the right thing to do.  Only people with extreme Libertarian views want to abandon SS today.  Being called a Socialist is not going to change my views, but, it does for a lot of people in this country.

5. märts 2010, 20:02:18
The Col 
Teema: Re: The LBJ daisy ad
Artful Dodger: The whole concept of group insurance uses the same "socialist" concept that is being used as the boogyman.The big insurance companies are laughing at the people doing their bidding so that they can post record profits, the jokes on the people

5. märts 2010, 09:30:32
Snoopy 
Teema: Re:knife crime
Snoopy toimetatud (5. märts 2010, 09:33:51)

5. märts 2010, 09:27:57
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Re: The LBJ daisy ad
Jim Dandy:  The "Socialist" tag was also used as an attack on FDR for Social Security & LBJ for his support of Medicare. 

5. märts 2010, 08:28:50
The Col 
Teema: Re: The LBJ daisy ad
Artful Dodger: WIKIPEDIA:

"The term ['socialized medicine'] was popularized by a public relations firm working for the American Medical Association in 1947 to disparage President Truman's proposal for a national health care system. It was a label, at the dawn of the cold war, meant to suggest that anybody advocating universal access to health care must be a communist. And the phrase has retained its political power for six decades."

5. märts 2010, 08:20:32
The Col 
Teema: Re: The LBJ daisy ad
Ferris Bueller: I'd heard it was a very very effective ad,but no,saying it won him the election was probably an overstatement.The fact it is still a popular refrence does say something though in regards to it's impact on political advertising

5. märts 2010, 06:34:04
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Re: The LBJ daisy ad
Jim Dandy:  I doubt that won LBJ the election solely, but it may have contributed to the landslide.  Barry Goldwater, his Republican opponent, advocated using nukes on Vietnam.  So, Johnson's people used the "Daisy" ad to hang the "armegedon" tag on Goldwater.

5. märts 2010, 02:24:23
Vikings 
Teema: Re:
(V): .. "why do you need an arsenal of 50 firearms?"..... ".. our govenment is plotting aginst me"

This is precisely why the amendment was put in the constitution

5. märts 2010, 02:22:41
Vikings 
Teema: Re:I think people ought to be able to own a gun. It's a right and should be honored.
Artful Dodger: The definition of the militia in the Iowa constitution and I am paraphrasing because it's been a while since I have read it is, All citizens between the ages of 14 and 60

5. märts 2010, 00:18:33
The Col 
Teema: Re:
Tuesday: you can't miss this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQUE_5T4G8I

5. märts 2010, 00:08:58
The Col 
Teema: Re:
Tuesday: The more that things change, the more they stay the same

5. märts 2010, 00:01:53
The Col 
Teema: Re:
Tuesday: plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

4. märts 2010, 23:41:39
The Col 
Teema: Re:
Tuesday: Yes,I was going to give the utube link, but I didn't think it was allowed

4. märts 2010, 23:38:36
The Col 
Teema: Re:
Tuesday:Although "fear" has been overused as a tool in recent years, it's nothing new.The LBJ daisy ad is thought by many to have won him the election back in the 60's

4. märts 2010, 23:33:54
Mort 
Teema: Re:
GTCharlie: Not if you like over here use a "you broke the law.. your nicked" policy. It's worked over here with knife crime. There was an amnesty on handing in before, and I guess people use to doing taxes a little extra paperwork is nothing.

.... Yes it would take years to work, but with education and parenting, educational adverts like "Clunk click every trip"..

.. "why do you need an arsenal of 50 firearms?"..... ".. our govenment is plotting aginst me" .. "heard of paranoia?

4. märts 2010, 15:59:32
tyyy 
And as usual in the U.S., the responsible majority will be denied because of the actions of the few

4. märts 2010, 15:56:53
tyyy 
pass all the laws you want..just a bigger black market will result.. same for drugs, alcohol, gambling , prostitution.. etc... doubt very much gun violence will drop much. better education and parenting is the answer. of course years of damage will take years to reverse

4. märts 2010, 12:49:49
Mort 
sorry... done!! Must re-install spell checker ;)

4. märts 2010, 12:32:45
Mort 
Teema: Re: OTOH
Ferris Bueller: Down Clay pigeon and .22, archery and some martial arts. Certain nerve pinhes can make a man cry just using two fingers :0) ....From documentaries you can learn how the Chinese use to make weapons from simple materials. More skill involved though, but enough that you could make a someone regret trying it on.. In the UK anyway.. less gun crime ;)

4. märts 2010, 12:27:43
Mort 
Teema: Re:I think people ought to be able to own a gun. It's a right and should be honored.
Artful Dodger: Young drivers pay more in insurance, it could be stated that a 'P' plate could be made law so you know if the driver is inexperianced.

Guns.. The gun law was designed to stop another 'imperial war', not to allow wanna be's GI's own enough hardware to take out a town! And it wasn't designed to mean IMHO that having the right to bear arms means you can be irresponsible with a deadly weapon.

If those who want smaller gov through responsible citizens then let them be responsible and lock up or get rid of that which is strickly speaking a 'toy for a big kid'.

.. most people only have two hands. The likes of Rambo and Arnie in his action days only carried two firearms at the time.

4. märts 2010, 12:10:53
Mort 
Teema: Re: ...that by nature is not assisted suicide, but murder.
Ferris Bueller: Safety nets are already in place in principle, and with all probability I can see *cough* death panels (to misquote a extreme right winger phrase) to look at each case. That a mother was cleared of wrong doing in helping her daughter shows that the UK legal system will investigate any assisted suicides and make sure it was a genuine case.

4. märts 2010, 11:31:46
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Re: OTOH

Artful Dodger:  I don't own a gun either.  I have been skeet shooting a few times.  That's kind of fun.


Whether gun ownership is a constitutional right is debatable.  The results of gratuitous gun violence are less so.


4. märts 2010, 07:36:35
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: Re: OTOH
Artful Dodger:  Mr. Jefferson probably did not have to deal with teens going on shooting sprees near Montecello either.  Or one of his many offspring by different women accidently killing a sibling w/ his musket.  LOL  Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled at the gun violence he would see in his beloved free country today.

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