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18. juuli 2010, 20:25:35
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: I don't doubt he said it.
Tuesday: The reason it's been pounded to pieces is because you on the left refuse to accept that your party was born out of racism. It promoted, supported, and profited from racism. And they are still using race today to further their ideology. Whatever it takes, the left will do.

It's also CURRENT in the news. Don't like the topic? Don't read it or respond.

18. juuli 2010, 20:25:00
The Col 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: I don't buy it.You are saying that all the signage and other such things are left wing plants?

18. juuli 2010, 20:23:28
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: All of the white racists flocked to the Republican Party in droves.
Ferris Bueller: I'll bet you money you can't prove this. Other than anecdotally.

18. juuli 2010, 20:22:13
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re:racist? I don't think he said it with malice, but it was a different time
Jim Dandy: ?? It was ok to be racist in the sixties? Slavery was a different time too. But it was still an evil practice.

18. juuli 2010, 20:21:07
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: I wouldn't go as far as to say there aren't racists in the whole bunch. But what there isn't is a pattern of racism in the group. There are no signs people carry that promote racist ideas. And where there are problems, they are weeded out. And keep in mind that the left was so eager to find racism in their ranks of the tea party, but couldn't, that they manufactured it. It's documented. On video. The left, posing as tea party participants and the LEFT making racial slurs. It didn't work. But it does go to show just how dishonest the left has become.

18. juuli 2010, 20:11:10
The Col 
Teema: This reminds me of The Canadian reform party, when they cleaned up their image
"We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," federation spokesman David Webb said Sunday on CBS's "Face The Nation."

18. juuli 2010, 16:15:51
Mort 
Teema: Re: I don't doubt he said it.
Ferris Bueller: Not everyone was behind votes for women.. but they still got the right. Not everyone was behind the working class having a vote.. but the law changed.

18. juuli 2010, 10:30:58
Ferris Bueller 
Teema: I don't doubt he said it.

Jim Dandy:  Neither do I.  Lyndon Johnson said a lot of crude and assinine things.  Tapes on him were worse than Richard Nixon at times.  He may have thought he won the black vote with the signing of the Civil Rights legislation, but he also realized that he would loose the Southern white vote for generations to come.  That sadly proved true of my home region.  All of the white racists flocked to the Republican Party in droves.  The GOP did not become the radical right party it is today by accident.  The Weasel is right though, it wasn't always that way.


Say what you want about Johnson being a racist.  It is likely true.  But, he did promote and sign a lot of Civil Rights legislation.  Even my Republican hero, Abraham Lincoln, made some comments that would be deemed as racists today.  He had some doubts about signing the Emancipation Proclamation.  But, the point is that he did it anyway cause it was the right thing to do.  Johnson was also aware of political consequences for signing Civil Rights legislation, but he did it anyway.


18. juuli 2010, 08:19:41
The Col 
Teema: Re:
I am Weasel: racist? I don't think he said it with malice, but it was a different time

18. juuli 2010, 08:18:37
The Col 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: not a racist in the bunch eh?
WoW, now that's going from one extreme to the other.......I'd bet they have their fair share, and a couple more

18. juuli 2010, 08:17:37
Papa Zoom 
I'm not saying the Republican party is totally innocent. But we don't see this same consistent pattern of racism from the Right. We see the opposite. That's also a demonstrable historical fact.

18. juuli 2010, 08:16:18
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re:
Jim Dandy: LBJ was one of many democratic leaders who were blatant racists.

18. juuli 2010, 08:15:26
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re:
Tuesday: I'm not obsessed with anything. Maybe you don't read what's current but this whole racism debate is happening right NOW. It's in the news every day. It's been an issue of the left ever since Obama ran for president.

18. juuli 2010, 08:14:28
The Col 
Teema: Re:
I am Weasel: I don't doubt he said it

18. juuli 2010, 08:14:01
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: I've read several blogs of black writers who are active in the tea party events and they have a different view. And since you've probably never been to a Tea Party rally and they have, I'll take them at their word. The facts are a hard thing to swallow sometimes. There is NO EVIDENCE of racism at tea party events. There have been documented situations where people on the left POSED as Tea Party racists. It didn't work. The Tea Partiers ran them out.

18. juuli 2010, 08:10:24
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re:
Tuesday: Nonsense. Eye witnesses. You're speculating. But decide for yourself. I know a bit of LBJ as president and he was a power hungry man. I believe the quote to be true. It totally fits his character.

18. juuli 2010, 08:09:10
The Col 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: Thanks for your opinion,.......racism is a fact of life,it exists everywhere.Is The Tea Party a racist organisation?
Not in my opinion
Does it attract more than its fair share of racists?
I think it does, but some folks probably only joined cuz they don't like Obama cuz he's black

18. juuli 2010, 08:04:09
Papa Zoom 
The quote is attributed to Lyndon Johnson by Ronald Kessler in his
book ?Inside the White House?.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671879197/amzna9-1-20/ref=nosim/102-1386346-4868906?dev-t=D26XECQVNV6NDQ%26camp=2025%26link_code=xm2

On the amazon site you will see a reviewer writes ?Once, while on a
trip with two governors, Johnson reportedly made the following comment
in explaining why the civil rights bill was so important to him. He
said it was simple: ?I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for two
hundred years.? ?


The quote is also mentioned on Page 6 of ?Can America Survive? by Ben
Stein, Phil DeMuth.
The search inside facility (?200 years?) will take you to the relevant page.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1401903339/amzna9-1-20/ref=nosim/102-1386346-4868906?dev-t=D26XECQVNV6NDQ%26camp=2025%26link_code=xm2


One blogger reports that the quote in the book is third-hand.

?To be fair, the Lyndon B. Johnson quote is third hand, reportedly
said by Johnson to two governors aboard Air Force One. The
circumstances are reported in Robert Kessler's book Inside the White
House.?
http://baldilocks.typepad.com/baldilocks/2004/07/from_the_washin.html

18. juuli 2010, 07:47:43
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
Papa Zoom toimetatud (18. juuli 2010, 07:50:06)
Jim Dandy: Frankly I haven't read it in it's entirety. It seems that it plays heavily on the use of sarcasm. It seems to me that he was trying to make a point and he didn't chose the best way to do it. But I don't see the ultimate point of your question. If you plan to take this letter and turn it into "see, the Tea Party IS racist" then you are either deceitful or unwillingly ignorant. If you only mean to say that this man used poor judgment to make a point, then I would agree.

I think Williams attempted to make a bigger point but some of the things he wrote could have been taken in ways that seem racist.

But aren't you getting tired of these lazy accusations of racism? The left plays this card so often that when I hear it now, I just smile and say, "there they go again." How predictable.

The Tea Party is NOT a racist organization. And it will take more than one misguided letter to demonstrate a consistent pattern of racism. In fact, you can't demonstrate anything close to that.

But weren't we talking about the Democratic party and their L O N G history of racism in the US? Yes, we were. And history clearly shows that racism was a Democratic behavior. It seems to me you are ignoring all my posts and facts presented and doing what most liberals do: change the subject.

Some will make a big deal of the letter. And maybe they should. But it reflects NOT on the Tea Party as a whole, it reflects on Mark Williams.

That cannot be said of the Democratic party. They were up to their armpits in racist actions.

People might like to point to President Johnson and all the civil rights legislation his administration put forward. But look closer and you will see a politician that realized he could win the "n word" vote by buying them with legislation that only seemed to be steps forward. Johnson admitted to this. "I'll have them damn "n word" voting democratic for 200 years when I'm through." Somewhat paraphrased but that's what he said.

So what about that letter? The left will make it a big deal while their own racist history gets swept under the rug.

18. juuli 2010, 07:21:32
The Col 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: what's your opinion of "that letter"

18. juuli 2010, 07:05:58
Papa Zoom 
Teema: ohoh
A GALLUP poll released today places Sarah Palin above all other likely Republican candidates with regard to popularity and favorability.

Today's poll also revealed that all Americans favor Palin by 44% to 47% who do not.

The guts of Palin's 2012 potential sit with Obama's current status. GALLUP's approval rating of Obama shows 44% with a disapproval of 48% -- which sets him very close to Palin.

Statistically, if Palin and Obama ran against the other today, not one stands a better chance above the other


17. juuli 2010, 22:00:32
Mort 
Teema: Re: If so we would have known by now
Tuesday: because many would take the news we ain't the top species of the universe .. very badly.

17. juuli 2010, 21:49:38
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: What about that letter?

17. juuli 2010, 21:44:41
Mort 
Teema: Re: If so we would have known by now
Tuesday: No we would not. That we know we live in a universe is something that was found out less than 60 years old. We know so little, that the ability to find planets around other stars is less then 10 years old. Pluto was reclassified not long ago as the existence of other planets (dwarf planets) beyond Pluto has been confirmed as the tech to see that deep in our own local space has gotten better.

As for official confirmation of ET visiting.. that was confirmed in a sense not that long ago when an Canadian ex minister whistle blew the USA cover up.

17. juuli 2010, 21:31:16
Pedro Martínez 
Teema: Re: Because we are complex, unique and have free will.
Tuesday: I don't believe there are other ppl on other planets. If so we would have known by now.

Joke of the day.

17. juuli 2010, 10:12:23
Mort 
Teema: Re:
Ferris Bueller: I saw Glen Beck yesterday state that there is some racist element in the Tea party. It's no good (in his opinion/fox news opinion) stating there is no racist element as that would be a lie.

17. juuli 2010, 09:34:15
The Col 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
I am Weasel: ok, how about that letter I mentioned?

17. juuli 2010, 08:12:52
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?

17. juuli 2010, 08:10:47
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re:
Ferris Bueller: And the Democrats STILL issue policies that are racist in many ways. And it's the left that routinely plays the race card. Speak against Obama and you're a racist. Speak against Obama if you are also a black person, and you are an Uncle Tom. This nonsense comes from people on the left. And there are LOTS of them. Obama's base.

17. juuli 2010, 08:07:28
Papa Zoom 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
Jim Dandy: I am Weasel is the name of the cartoon I guess. See my profile. I'm just going with the flow.

17. juuli 2010, 07:59:20
Ferris Bueller 
Yep.  Before the 1960s and the Civil Rights movement, the Democratic Party, particularly in the South, was a very racist party.  Conservatives ruled the Dems in the South after Reconstruction.  The "yahoos" began swithing to the Republican Party in the mid to late 1960s largely because of Nixon's Southern strategy.  Between the Civil War and this time, there was no GOP in the South.  So, yes, Democrats were very racists and the KKK started and was perpetuated under their watch.

17. juuli 2010, 04:06:06
The Col 
Teema: Re: Why talk of race?
The Col toimetatud (17. juuli 2010, 04:09:31)
I am Weasel: Are you speaking of Mark Williams " letter to Abraham Lincoln" ?

just a style suggestion, how about "I am the Weasel" as in "I am the Walrus"

17. juuli 2010, 02:57:58
Papa Zoom 
Teema: So you see (if you're honest)
The reason that a discussion of race is important is because there are those on the left that are playing the race card with increasing frequency. Even if they have to create racism and blame it on the right, they are not above such things, as the posts below clearly show.

17. juuli 2010, 02:53:10
Papa Zoom 
Far-left Think Progress Fabricates Examples of Tea Party Racism for Bogus Video
by Lachlan Markay
Liberal activists are so desperate to paint the Tea Party as racist that some, apparently, are willing to fabricate evidence and fallaciously draw unsupported conclusions to support their point.

Lee Fang, a writer for the far-left blog Think Progress, recently posted a video purporting to show racism at Tea Parties. But the video was a total fraud. It took statements out of context, claimed racism where there really was none, claimed liberal plants were authentic members of the movement, and even used video from 2006, three years before the movement existed!

Liberal writers at the Nation and the Huffington Post, as well as former Fox News cohost Alan Colmes all trumpeted the Think Progress video as evidence of Tea Party racism, despite the easily-verifiable evidence to the contrary.

One activist, who says he's "proud to be a racist," is a well-documented Tea Party "crasher" -- one of the tremendously unsuccessful (despite Think Progress's best efforts) counter-protesters that attempted to infiltrate rallies and pose as racists and other undesirables.

In a video titled, ironically, "Proof that the Tea Party is not racist," this man is singled out, hounded, and chased from a rally. The video is six minutes long, so there is no way that Think Progress spliced out the portion that it did without seeing the context -- without knowing that this man was a plant. No matter, he fit the narrative, truth be damned.

17. juuli 2010, 02:21:46
Papa Zoom 
Teema: That said, here are some facts about racism and the Democratic party.
It's history folks. And it's NOT that long ago. But it's being ignored. In fact, most of you here will excuse this away or simply ignore it.


The Ku Klux Klan, Terrorist Wing of the Democratic Party
by Michael Zak
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) has falsely accused the Tea Party of having ties to the Ku Klux Klan. Speaking at the NAACP convention, she said: “All those who wore sheets a long time ago lifted them off to wear Tea Party clothing.”

Now is the time to speak some Truth to Power.

It would have been far more truthful for the congresswoman to have admitted the fact that all those who wore sheets a long time ago lifted them to wear Democratic Party clothing. Yes, the Ku Klux Klan was established by the Democratic Party. Yes, the Ku Klux Klan murdered thousands of Republicans — African-American and white – in the years following the Civil War. Yes, the Republican Party and a Republican President, Ulysses Grant, destroyed the KKK with their Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871.

How did the Ku Klux Klan re-emerge in the 20th century? For that, the Democratic Party is to blame.

It was a racist Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson, who premiered Birth of a Nation in the White House. That racist movie was based on a racist book written by one of Wilson’s racist friends from college. In 1915, the movie spawned the modern-day Klan, with its burning crosses and white sheets.

Inspired by the movie, some Georgia Democrats revived the Klan. Soon, the Ku Klux Klan again became a powerful force within the Democratic Party. The KKK so dominated the 1924 Democratic Convention that Republicans, speaking truth to power, called it the Klanbake. In the 1930s, a Democrat President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, appointed a Klansman, Senator Hugo Black (D-AL), to the U.S. Supreme Court. In the 1950s, the Klansmen against whom the civil rights movement struggled were Democrats. The notorious police commissioner Bull Connor, who attacked African-Americans with dogs and clubs and fire hoses, was both a Klansman and the Democratic Party’s National Committeeman for Alabama. Starting in the 1980s, the Democratic Party elevated a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan, Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV), to third-in-line for the presidency.

Speaking more Truth to Power, the Republican Party has been a resolute enemy of the Ku Klux Klan, terrorist wing of the Democratic Party.

To quote from Back to Basics for the Republican Party, “The more we Republicans know about the history of our party, the more the Democrats will worry about the future of theirs.” See www.grandoldpartisan.com for more information.

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