Nothingness...
Here white moves first and black wins a stalemate.
At IYT black moves first and white wins a stalemate.

mainly since first move wins most of the games its is such a huge advantage to go first that if you are able to draw the game with the 2nd color you deserve the win. im curious how the top players in the world play when they move 2nd.

Nothingness: The "serious" matches on this site (between opponents who are good enough to use the advantage of the 1st move) are alway 2game matches with alternating colours ... which pretty much solves it :-)

But surely a draw is just that...A draw, so why should one of the players win?

why dont white win if its a drw at the end like you do on iyt? since black has a huge advantage by going first white desereves the win for a draw.

swap is very funny and give to this game more openings,not only closed game and ofcourse if standard opening good looking in some corner,like hungarians specialties:-)btw but there is no players skill for this:-)

The easiest way is do force 1st player to do all 3 moves, then 2nd player to choose the color, this has been done on polish site www.kurnik.pl and work fine there. And swap really makes the game much more balanced.

Yes, I think the swap version would make it more fair, and yes, the restriction on the second player's first move MUST be included if this version is to be implemented.

I would like to see the "swap" version of 5-in-line at BK. The swap completely takes away 1st player`s advantage and would require only VERY little modifications to the current version.
The swap-version is simply regular 5-in-line with 2. player having an option of choosing whether he wants to play as black or white after total of 3 moves have been made. I personally think that 2nd player`s 1st move should be restricted so that it cannot be made OUTSIDE the same 5x5 center square inside which 1st player`s 2nd move cannot be made in Pente or pro-gomoku. Without this restriction player 2 could make his first move into 1 of the corners and get the advantage to himself.
Even in pro-gomoku the 1. players advantage is very big, but not so with the swap.
Let`s hear some comments...especially about the restriction for 2. player which I proposed here.

sorry but i forgot about the 2nd move restriction . so i resigned my games ... totally slipped my mind ..
Jason.

At my request, Fencer has just fixed the standings in section one. Jason and nicegirll both are now declared winners.
A great final coming up after Duke and I have finished our games in section2.

Player Sowa has not used the 2. move restriction in at least 3 of his tournament games as white in section 2 of the tournament.

This is against the rules of the tournament and therefore, all games played by him and against him will not be a part of this tournament. I will manually count the points in section 2 and if this produces a different section winner than the automatic system, I will arrange a real final for the real section winners.

Those who are playing against Sowa in the tournament can continue their games or resign them early, when it should not affect the ratings. In any case, those games are no longer a part of the tournament and will not affect who will be announced as the winner.

...is about to start!
I want to remind all players that the 2. move restriction for white must be used in all games.
If some player doesn`t use the restriction I will manually count the points leaving out all games played against that player, and if necessary, arrange a new final round into which the "real" finalists will be invited.

Good luck to everybody.

It is time to find out who is the best five-in-line player at Brainking. To avoid "surewin" -moves the 2. move restriction (like in Pro Gomoku) will be used for player1 (white). If you are not familiar with this restriction you can find it explained in rules description for Pente. All five-in-line players in Top25 have been invited (including provisional ratings). If anybody outside the top25 feels like he/she deserves to be playing in the tournament, feel free to ask me for an invite. Games start 16.1. so that pawns will have time to finish their on-going games.

workin on it for ya

Is there any prize tourney in the whole ?

no problem any time :)

thx Lonestar
ummmm... Princess Kam???

howdy all.....i have a tourney that has five in a line but not a prize tourney sorry...since i see you would like a prize tourney i will see what i can do :)

If someone starts one. It's up to the creator to provide the prize, so if you can find someone who'll create one, then yes...there will be :-) lol

is there ever a five in line prize tourney?

hello all :) FOr all interested in a five in a line tourney there is one waiting for you. Name is We're Off and Running.

Have a great day!!

Yes, it happened to everyone.

What happened yesterday? some my game moves were back, and they knew what I wanna do... did it happen to someone else ?

If I had 1 million USD I'll bye 1 Brain Rook and do other things :P

SonAnh: It can be yours for one million USD :-)

plz borrow me your White Brain King Mr. Fencer, I would join more than 1 tournament then :P

wow that game is going strong :) good luck to both of you :)

WOW

This game.
Full board ;-)

what's the most moves made in a game. I have one that's at turn 46 right now...

good evening....hope all is great for everyone :)

Lonestar73: I'm just interesting.
Re: Does white...:Yes,your impression is so rite, that call surewin,something like we've discused but nothing funny starting play using that open.
Kacper, look at the way you piece 5in line is so perfect, but never seen you been here,opine something babie :-)

this was a problem in checkers, i recall, and in high level games, the first move or something is chosen by lot.
someone mentioned white having to play his second move three rows from the first. does this resolve the difficulty?

Yes. As I believe have allready been pointed out earlier in this forum, there is proof of a sure win for the starting party of the game. This without any restrictions; sad but true. Therefor if equal conditions are valued one should preferably play a game like pro gomoku or, if one gets the chance to, renju.

I get the impression from the disussions here that, given best play, white will always win? Is this so? Thanks.

what are you referring to in regards to 23xx nicks? are you looking for someone in particular?

Where are 5-in-line 23xx nicks ? why I dont see any1 in here.

good evening all..how is everyone? :) hope everyone is staying cool or at least cooler than i am...109 here today...want fried eggs just crack em on the sidewalk lol

Yep, double 3's wouldnt win and you cant make 3x3 but 3x4.

Anyone who would like to play 5 wins match with pro gomoku rules? Invite me..

Renju has restrictions about types of wins doesn't it like double 3's etc?

No, Pro moku is different, Pro moku rules are the same as normal moku but the second white piece must be placed at least 3 rows from the first one

Is Pro GoMoku have the same rules as Renju?

I asked Fencer for new game - Pro gomoku (just 5 in line, pro rules).

:-) just discussions coz we cant change anything. But I think 6 not win is more better coz a game will be more complicated and...

I think it should be changed, you're really only supposed to place 5 pieces. In fact, as many players know who play at other sites, one of a players DEFENSES is to force a sixth piece placement, since it is not a win.On the other hand, i believe i have only won a handful of games w/ 6 pieces, it doesn't really happen all that often.

five in line is different from six in line, and different from five or more in line too, so dont look at the name of game, I'm just sayin' about the rules

If you notice, it isn't go-moku...it's Five in Line...