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In the history of candidates, Obama has taken MORE contributions from Wall Street than ANYONE ELSE! And yet the lemmings in OWS are for Obama, and against his support network? How "duh" is that???
Emne: Re: Where is the outcry from the leftist here about greed, scientist would lie
Vikings: Right.. that makes no sense whatsoever. Inherent in my statement was the matter of all the propaganda you in America have been fed through out the cold war.
... hence "duped"
Business and a bought government (whichever side .. Dems or Repubs) that has been generated and fed to you guys since before you were born.. .. probably.
Emne: Re:97% to 98% of climate researchers (if not more) are paid by the government and climate interest groups to support and to advance the global warming hypothesis
Artful Dodger: You do have some proof of this? Some article or leak from an reputable source >>> not like Bush and his Fake WMD's <<<
As for Al Gore... that means everyone else is wrong because a politician beefed things up... Like those old WWII films stating the good old USA won the war purely by being the USA!!
Golly. How many politicians beef things up.... Or like with Palin stating that she ain't decided on whether she's running or not and please donate.
But her Daughter leaked by accident that she does know, it is decided.
Emne: Re:I know enough of chemistry to know that you cannot pollute or add to a closed environment (as in the atmosphere is covered by a vacuum) ....and have no effect.
(V): In other words, man made global warming is true because you own a car???
Where is the outcry from the leftist here about greed, scientist would lie costing every man woman and child on this planet trillions, simply for their own greed?
oh thats right, because this greed promotes socialism and leftist getting rich
Another lie claims that there is a consensus among climate scientists that a known man-made global warming crisis exists. Official statements to the contrary presented by more than 650 international climate-related experts who presented contrary official testimony recorded in a 2008 U.S. Senate minority report suggest otherwise. So do petitions signed by more than 30,000 scientists that have challenged IPCC's 1995 procedures and report representations. Those circumstances prompted Dr. Frederick Seitz, former president of the U.S. Academy of Sciences, the American Physical Society, and Rockefeller University to write in The Wall Street Journal: "I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer review process than events that led to this IPCC report."
S. Fred Singer, former director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service and University of Virginia professor emeritus commented about these sorry circumstances stating in part:
"Many would place the beginning of the global warming hoax on the Senate testimony delivered by James Hansen of NASA [director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies] during the summer of 1988. More than anything else, this exhibition of hyped alarm triggered my active skepticism about the man-made global warming scare. This skepticism was amplified when I acted as reviewer of the first three IPCC reports, in 1990, 1996, and 2001. Increasingly claims were made for which there was no evidence; in some cases the 'evidence' was clearly manufactured. For example, the 1966 report used selective data and doctored graphs. It also featured changes in the text that were made after the scientists had approved it and before it was printed."
The claim that climate change is human caused is based solely on speculative theories. Warming modeling predictions are unproven and flawed. AND, many (if not most) of those scientists that promote the man-made global warming scenario earn their living ONLY if they hold to their global warming positions. hmmmmmm
Emne: Re:So.. can you personally prove the 97% wrong without changing the subject?
(V): Here's a fact for you: 97% to 98% of climate researchers (if not more) are paid by the government and climate interest groups to support and to advance the global warming hypothesis and, guess what, they do.
Emne: Re:So.. can you personally prove the 97% wrong without changing the subject?
Artful Dodger: I know enough of chemistry to know that you cannot pollute or add to a closed environment (as in the atmosphere is covered by a vacuum) ....and have no effect.
It's amazing though that despite the banks and their recklessness that caused so much financial difficulty for our countries, that the right concentrate on some rubbish.
.. Oh wow.. the whole of Wall Street is at threat from a bit of rubbish. It's "The Stuff" all over again!!!!
The Tea Party never made a mess of public property and always left it better than when they arrived. No hate speech, no violence. And yet Dems were all over it with criticisms. And yet with Occupy Wallstreet, they are all in favor. Pelosi says, "God bless them." This in spite of all the racial slurs, violence, and thrashing of public property. See for yourself.
gogul: We've seen these things before in the history of the world. Climate changes. Normal cycyle. Nothing new. Man made? That's where the junk science comes in.
Artful Dodger: You can say that global climate change is not affecting your region, if it really was the case. But it is elsewhere, and if we don't address these problems, we will be surprised about refugees. I know how populism works. They will let the mob bash these refugees. And I will bash the populists.
Artful Dodger: Sinking islands are not "junk science". Melting water reservoirs are not junk science. Shifting seasons are not junk science to farmers. Spread of desert is not junk science.
The european union is scheduled to be a post-national formation. Thinkers of a better time where sure about the sense of this idea. The pressure on our momentary leaders is not enough. They are horribly failing in historical context. History will be that Merkel, Sarkozy, Cameron where not able to address the idea.
gogul: Honest would be to admit the problems in mostly poorer countries, climate change is causing. We will suffer the problems anyway and should face them honestly. For the sake of our .. hmmm .. soul, we should overcome national fence thinking. Get over your nationalism, the resulting populism is a sick stupidity, while we do have the means to address the problems globaly.
Übergeek 바둑이:"The general excuse is that this is what it takes to protect freedom and democracy. However, under the Patriot Act anybody suspected of terrorist activity can be detained. In essence the USA has turned itself into a quasi police state. People are free to consume, to say anything they want, to do anything they want, except do anything that leads to political change or a change in the Capitalist economic system. The function of the police state is to ensure that the rich stay rich and the working class stay working for the benefit of the rich. It is a form of police state socialism. The state has a monopoly of judiciary and military power. All that is missing is children ratting on their parents, and you will have full fascism.
In fairness, it is not just the USA. Almost every western country has become that way. "Big government" means programs that help the working class and the poor, but it will never mean a bloated police and military."
I think that's worth reading again. Morally, our elites are dead. Any doupts?
Emne: Re: You're just mad cuz I pointed out your error. CIA is part of the government as is HS and DOF and others.
Artful Dodger: Maybe you missed some of the sarcasm regarding how the US 'foreign policy' is one of democracy, fairness and freedom.. while the CIA is one of murder, drugs and over throw any countries government we don't like.. or affects a companies profit margin.
I know they are from the same government, but that implies the American government has multiple personality problems!!
A Gallup poll from 2009 found ..."that 77% of non-publishing, non-climatological Earth Scientists and 97% of publishing Climatologists believed in human-driven climate change."
The Pew research centre found 84% of scientists believed in climate change, while only 49% of Joe Public believed so.
The Union of Concerned Scientists, which consists of about 250,000 members, state ..."we need to get serious and address this true, proven issue of climate change."
.. they even got serious and sent an email asking it's members to send this to Rupert Murdoch..
"As someone who has read your company's newspapers and watched your television shows and movies, I want to thank you for committing News Corporation to addressing the urgent issue of global warming and for pledging that the company will become carbon neutral by 2010.
Unfortunately, one of the biggest challenges we face today to adequately addressing global warming is coming from your employees.
Fox News show hosts, their guests, and Wall Street Journal columnists regularly misrepresent climate science and attack scientists. Often, they claim climate change itself is not real despite the overwhelming scientific evidence that it is. Allowing their fraudulent claims to go unchecked misleads your audience. This runs counter to News Corp.'s stated policy to "engage our audiences and enable them to find ways to reduce carbon emissions in their own lives."
Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Pete du Pont, and Kimberley Strassel among others, have all attacked the science behind global warming in media outlets owned by News Corp.--including Beck's outrageous claim that Arctic ice is increasing.
I am not entertained by outrageous statements and the misuse of science. Your paid commentators have the right to broadcast their opinions, but not to make up their own facts.
Please match your corporation's climate commitments to real action by ensuring all News Corporation programming get the facts straight."
>>>>>>>> which backs up what I said the other day to Art....
"I didn't say that they had no knowledge... bozos or people who put political ideology and money before reality.. yes. "
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