Artful Dodger: and I stand by mine as well! he was being a jackass by joking about it while our men and women are over there DYING...do GET THAT!!!?? PEOPLE ARE DEAD and he was making JOKES!
I don't care WHO YOU ARE you DO NOT joke about THAT! it's sick! and if you think it's ok then YOU ARE SICKER!

I believe the car industry needs help - but this just shows how the people running these companies have NO IDEA of how to run a company.

http://consumerist.com/5137457/chrysler-buys-ads-thanking-you-for-tax-money-you-get-pissed-chrysler-censors-you

Czuch: I personally think you can kiss any return on your investment goodbye.I'm not even sure the Iraqi govt is in your corner as much as has been depicted by the BUSH tenure.If I put myself in the position of someone who to this day supports the whole Iraq experience,I'd be mad as hell at there luke warm support.Didn't they recently state the USA would not get preferential treatment in the oil contracts? for that alone I'd send them back to the stonage

Jim Dandy: Its kinda like these bailout efforts we are paying for right now... its supposed to be loans with interest etc, but I fear some point down the road we will let them off the hook for all that as well!

Jim Dandy:
Where's the Iraq oil money that was supposed to help in the operation? Think of all the billions spent in Iraq that would be so valuable now


I have always thought there would be some sort of "war dividend" and maybe we still will, out of everything, it would be the lack of repayment from their oil revenues that would piss me off more than any WMD or anything like that ever could. I always assumed that would be a given, that after we liberate them, at some point when they are back on their feet, they would repay us (at least monetarily) for our efforts? hahah, if they dont want to pay us back for giving them their freedom, then I would be in favor of blowing them back to dictatorship status!!!

Czuch: And may I add,it wasn't just Democrats who wanted to leave Iraq...............I think there were other options available once it was determined to be bad judgement.Other nations might have been agreeable to a different direction,and helped stabalize the situation.........it just always seemed to me like a gambler who had blown their money,but kept doubling up the bets to recoup what they originally arrived at the casino with.Where's the Iraq oil money that was supposed to help in the operation? Think of all the billions spent in Iraq that would be so valuable now

Jim Dandy:I think some thought like that...

But once we were already there, and had toppled saddam and his regime, then leaving would have meant way more headaches...

I can see where people would not want to have our troops fight unless there is some imminent danger to our country, but once we have made that decision, and we are voted in there and we topple the existing government, then what, just pull out?

Czuch: So,you think Democrats wanted to leave Iraq to make Bush look bad,and not due to the thousands of lives being lost after it was determined the initial threat and reason for war was false? GOOD GOD

anastasia: You are still not completely understanding what happened.... Nobody ever lied... we had no idea that Saddam had destroyed all his WMDs until we went in there and found that out... we asked him over and over to show us some sort of evidence that he didnt have any anymore and he refused!

I personally didnt need any WMD card to support our going in there, but I know for many that was the actual tipping point... but why once we are already there would you prefer failure over victory just because you hate Bush, it is beyond me, and why you can now complain that Rush doesnt want Obamas plan for socialism to succeed????

Jim Dandy: THANK YOU!

Jim Dandy:

Democrats supported the war,but only based on what they were fed as facts.

I can agree there is a bit of a difference in the two situations..... but the fact remains that we were voted into going to war, and there were many who could not get past the reasons, and for them failure was the only option.

What good could come from failing in Iraq except to make Bush look bad? There is absolutely no other upside, so why fight it so hard, unless your only agenda is to see Bush fail?

Bernice:

: I see where your troops will hopefully be out of Iraq within 16 months and into Afghanistan...

I think that was the plan decided upon under Bush as directed by the Iraqi government... we have always mantained that we were at their mercy how long they wanted/needed us, if they said leave tomorrow we would be gone, no matter the president.

Jim Dandy:

Yes,so basically he only hopes he succeeds by implimenting a Republican agenda.It seems he'd be unhappy with a flourishing USA if it is achieved by a liberal agenda

He would not be unhappy with a flourishing America, its just he doesnt believe that socializing America will make us flourish.... neither do I, but I would like to see it tried, otherwise we will never get the idea out of our system... so i say give it our best shot, and when it produces another mediocre country, then we can always say been there done that....

Czuch: I disagree,Bush's support didn't start to REALLY plummet until after the war began.Once the public came to realise how much they'd been misled on so many levels,he tanked.

Democrats supported the war,but only based on what they were fed as facts.

Czuch: Yes,so basically he only hopes he succeeds by implimenting a Republican agenda.It seems he'd be unhappy with a flourishing USA if it is achieved by a liberal agenda

Czuch: I see where your troops will hopefully be out of Iraq within 16 months and into Afghanistan...

Jim Dandy: You have forgotten already that liberals hated Bush so much that, even though their elected representatives voted to send us into Iraq, they hoped for our failure there, and fought actively to help make failure there, just to make Bush look bad... so you have very little standing to now complain about conservatives who hope for Obamas failures!

Jim Dandy:

Rush holds the belief that the country will be worse off if Obama succeeds in implementing the liberal agenda he has laid out. That is the sole reason he hopes Obama fails.

I personally believe that Obamas planned changes will not benefit this country, but I also personally hope he succeeds in implimenting them, and then we can at least see for certain if they are all that some think they will be.... if they are then, well thats good, and I will be proven wrong, or if they lead us in a direction that is ultimately not so good, well then at least we will have tried the experiment, and we can then get back to the real world, with a proven track record of what America is not, and that is socialists!

is the USA serious??

too much kissy-poo for the Obama's.!!

anastasia: Limbaugh's feelings on success,he basically says he only wants Obama to succeed if he rules with a Republican agenda,regardless of the country doing well under Obama's watch.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETnzur7oVA&eurl=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012209/content/01125108.guest.html

anastasia:and following the railway that was used by Lincoln, the gala at the Lincoln memorial, even the luncheon served in the same room Lincoln used....none of this is slightly racially tinted?

Czuch: I agree! oh dear lord..so weird when I type that to you,lol!
But all I was saying is that it wasn't OBAMA that is playing the race card here,it is the black leaders in the community.
I don't think ANY inaguration should have that much money spent on it.....everyone knows who the President is,lets have a small ceramony and move on with things..no matter WHO was elected.
If people voted for him JUST because he is black (and I agree,there were many) then shame on THEM for not going deeper into the issues that each man stood on.

anastasia: Its not about Obama failing... its about all the "well we bitched about Bush inauguration spending money that could be used to feed the homeless, but that was different then, because this is something very special, and its good for the country to spend money on a party, even though we could feed sooo many people with the money, its still a good thing here, its just so historic, and means so much for this country, we have finally reach such a great milestone, and its so historic...."

Millions of people feel like this, and they truly believe we have reached some great milestone, and we can now move forward with some great burden lifted off our backs..... but that is really a very naive sentiment, and it pisses me off when I hear some black leader dampen the whole thing, and people not realizing this, that to the black community this is nothing so historic at all, its just one small DOWN PAYMENT.... Im not trying to rain on your parade (well I am kinda) but all this giddy "we have finally done something great" crap is just that, all a bunch of crap! ... and some people voted for him just because he is black and they think it will change things, and it wont change anything... we have got to stoip feeling so guilty about our past and this is nothing more than affirmative action at work, it will make us all feel so good if we have a black president... well whooptie doo, now we have a black president, and it isnt going to change a damn thing.... Obama might end up a great president or not, but it will have absolutly nothing to do with the color of his skin.. the more we focus on skin color, the further we get from anything that is truly special!

Artful Dodger: Only when they are clearly misguided.
No,I REALLY think you just like trying to show off that you think you are sooooo smart..well,goodie for you on that :)

Czuch: and remember.... it just a down payment!!!
You keep bringing this up but to be honest,I dont recall OBAMA ever playing the race card....to be fair,I thought this year was probably one of the better years for BOTH guys that were running,they BOTH ran decent campaings..
Anywho...you guys always commenting about us "Bush haters" and "Bush Bashers" how we WANTED him to fail...which for me couldn't be farther from the truth...but now it sounds like you guys WANT Obama to fail...No matter had your Rep. gotten into the whitehouse,NIETHER guy would have had an easy road. WHY would you want ANY President to fail? I wished Bush BEST OF LUCK on BOTH terms....you guys don't even seem to be givng Obama a chance

Charles Martel: He'll have his share,I won't be surprised at all by the inevitable backlash when people learn he's flesh and blood and can't walk on water.

Jim Dandy: You are right. he has a lot of fish to fry. how many days until the Michael Moore attack movie comes out??

Artful Dodger: I've heard experts suggest otherwise,regardless,he took away the toy,he has much bigger fish to fry

Artful Dodger: He took the oath again strictly to short curcuit the usual suspects who latch onto these types of things,it happens in both parties.He has much more important issues on his plate.This had the potential to create needless white noise.

Artful Dodger: Thats just about the way it was explained on the news, Obama would be president officially even tho he hasn't taken the oath yet

... all the giddy liberals today.... just so excited that America is excited.... but just point out that Bush had a 93% popularity rating at one point or that Reagan had 5 million more viewers for his inauguration than Obama did.... all you get is blank stares!!!

Poor excited liberals.... they think they have something never achieved before.. how wrong they could be.... and remember.... it just a down payment!!!

Czuch: Biden

Guess I got here too late for this one.... but I heard that the constitution actually stiupulates that the new president is in charge at high noon, and that even though the oath of office was actually taken about 5 minutes after noon, Obama was still in charge before then...


although it is a moot point now, it would be interesting to know the legalities... what if it was 1 minute after noon and before the oath was administered, and the secret service had to go to the president, who would it have been?

Artful Dodger: and you just LOVE correcting people,don't ya

Artful Dodger: oh hell dan who cares how many times it is taken as long as someone gets it right and obama can get on with make americans a better life hell he already put a freeze on the high paid aides so thats a start

Artful Dodger: sweet louise...chill out

Bernice: doesn't matter...they had "experts" on tonight and said he IS president....hehehehe constitutional experts....seems a pretty boring job

Jim Dandy: if you listen to the words and see a transcript of what was said he left out ONE word.......

If he'd said it jokingly,it would be no big deal,but he pursues it with a straight face.

Jim Dandy: omg

Jim Dandy: he really did stuff it up didnt he....

Chris Wallace questions if Obama is actually President,after Roberts flub

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_LUtNway9x4

Foxy Lady:

Have you ever worked in a soup kitchen?

No I havent, but I guess you have some point in the question?

Bernice: I thought she looked nice...I also like that she choose some very small fashion designer that only puts her stuff in a very small number of boutiques,and she doesn't advertise her stuff because her budget doesn't allow for it...maybe by Michelle wearing her design,she will have opened up a new door for the designer to make a name for herself.

Jim Dandy: nice AUDI

Mousetrap: ROFL.......

Artful Dodger: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22887506#22887506

Bernice: I bet in a week or so all they will be looking forward to is kicking off thier shoes, putting thier night clothes on, letting thier hair down and locking the door while having a gin or two! Lol!

Mousetrap: yes I think you could be right but at least she could look good while they sort all the troubles LOL