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I just got timed out on 6 games, an hour ago I had 14 hours on all the games. Very confused on what is happening to the system... & disappointed. Not sure what to do about it...
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beach: It's a side effect of the recovery system in case of temporarily disabled timeouts. It tries to balance the time left but does not count with weekend and vacation days. It will be self-fixed when you make a move.
I think that I will announce the BrainKing Facebook page soon, because I want to use it for instant and quick messages of this kind.
2 days are now being added as of this morning last night all my 3 day games were over 4 days 23 which is what they should have been this morning I log on and all those games are 2 days 23 hrs so I lost time not gained time, talked to a couple of other people and they have the same thing, and all games should not have had the same amount of time this morning, they are all played at different times
beach: Well, I have noticed that 2 days have been added to all of my games. Maybe you should dig a little deeper in the list of your games to find those. :)
anyone else notice the times for games moves changed on the games today, 3 day games that should read 4 days 23 hrs changed back to 2 days 23 hrs also when I make a move in these games it goes to 2 days 23 hrs, my weekend days are Sat and Sun so they should go to 4 days 23 hrs, something has to be wrong with the clocks, when I logged in this morning all my games were at the same time 2 days 23 hrs
Due to a broken optical link (somewhere in Prague) BrainKing is currently not accessible for the most users outside Czech Republic. Game timeouts have been stopped until the problem is solved.
Czuch: Well whatever, lol. I wasn't thinking it all the way out. Her point still was that games aren't played out all the way, if they don't need to be.
If you haven't read the whole thread, you will see where she is coming from, if you do.
I'm as American as any other American, and I have certainly resigned games that are mathematically impossible for me to win, and I feel comfortable saying that probably most others do as well. It was an inaccurate generalization on the part of tfra11.
awesome: Right, her point was that in baseball (considered the "American sport") games DO end when there is no mathematical way for the team to win. This was in response to tfra11 who is trying to say that it is "UnAmerican" to resign a game that is definitely lost.
Herlock Sholmes: the right formula is 64! / ((8!)^8) = 1,816572393163080675696402792818e+52 which is still more than the amount of cents I have in my bank account.
AbigailII: This is crazy.... I can agree that you can be considered a sore loser if you simply quit when you get behind, but to resign a game with no mathematical possibility to win, that is completely different.
Baseball, there is always a mathematical chance to win, and that is true for all sports. But a game like backgammon, there is a point when it is not finished, where one player has no mathematical chance to win.
Of course, here on Brainking, there is always a chance that someone can timeout, which is not a normal situation for games in general.
tfra11: Here in the USA, if we quit, even if we're mathematically eliminated, we're called sore losers.
That's why in America's national passtime, baseball, all 9 innings are always played fully (there's always a bottom of the 9th), and the World Series is always exactly 7 games. And it's easy to pick out the American chess players in tournaments - they always play until mated.
Herlock Sholmes:That would be the case if all 64 pieces were unique, but they're not here. I haven't got time now to come up with what I think is the right answer, but it will be lower than (8^57)x 7! = 1.5 x 10^55
Speaking with games, the cube decision seems to fit in this drop/hold it discussion. Because if culture is involved, you like to take a look at the peak moment. It's like this comic: When you are at best with your girl you can consider to let a new love start growing from the bottom (j/k).
tfra11: "Here in the USA, if we quit, even if we're mathematically eliminated, we're called sore losers".What rubbish!Giving up graciously in a game you can not possibly win has nothing to do with being a sore loser.no matter what country you happen to be born in.One of the top backgammon players on this site (hello Alan) is an American citizen and he will always resign an obvious loss.
i think nationality doesnt make a difference. culture might or the way someone has being raised by their parents (in any culture)
the main point is ... you are resigning as a favour for your opponent ... therefore its an good ethiquette to warn your opponent you will resign (or ask him if you can) unless you already know what your opponent wants
tfra11: I'm pretty sure a majority of Americans who play here would disagree. (Only because of the MANY times over the years this subject has been brought up) Most people who care about this issue, I believe, feel it is rude to continue a game that is a mathematical loss. Americans included. But I think many don't care (whatever nationality)
Personally, I'm pretty easy going, and it doesn't bother me whichever way someone chooses to handle it. When I know I am playing someone who prefers you resign when you know for sure you have lost, I resign at that point. If I'm playing a friend, who likes to continue a conversation, and just play it out, I play it out.
Actually, I think this has at least as much to do with different game cultures as it has to do with nationalities. In chess, you will sometimes find yourself in a position where:
- you know you're lost - you know your opponent has the skill to win the game - but it will still take some 30-40 moves for them to do so.
I suppose that's why experienced chess players have developed this etiquette that you resign when you know you haven't got a chance (unless there's only a few moves left, in which case your opponent might actually be happy to mate you!). I've played chess with people from all over the world on many different sites, and I've never noticed that people from the US were any different in this regard.
The problem, I think, is when people take the game etiquette that they've learned at one game and apply it to a different game and expect it to be universally valid. Which is bound to happen now and then on a site like this. The solution, of course, is to try to tell yourself that whatever your opponent does, he probably means no harm... live and let live... and Fencer, please don't add any more achievements that requires the game to be played out to the end ;-)
ChessVariant: I agree that some stupid blunders are made, as I have made plenty of them myself. However, the kind of eliminations I am talking about are:
1. Chess Example: King vs. King + Rook. Please resign this game if you only have a king rather than make someone finish it.
2. Backgammon example: If you can see that a player will win if he rolls all 2-1 for the remainder of the game, even if the opponent rolls all double 6's, then it is pointless to continue. Only people who are praying for the winning opponent's computer to explode would keep playing this game.
tfra11: I disagree with the USA argument. Why do sports series end early if the other team is mathematically eliminated? (i.e. NBA: Lakers won 4-1 in a best of 7, and there was no need to play all seven). Even with Soccer (Futbol), if a game goes to a Penalty Kick shootout, all 5 kicks by each team are not taken if a team is mathematically eliminated before the 5th kick. With board games, I believe it is universally considered "good sportsmanship" to resign a lost cause.