playBunny: you are right i can see a group wanting to have a rating among themselves .. i didnt think of that .. i think i can add nothing to what we have said before and have no real sollution yet there are too many sides to ratings online in a lose 'organisation' like this .. ratings are tough to get right when its done online .. there are too many holes in which villains can hide .. and its too little controlled ... but still they are fun to work for :)