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9. februára 2005, 01:59:02
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
EdTrice: LOL> Let me re-phrase. Shouldn't people posting on this board have checker discussion as their agenda?

9. februára 2005, 01:50:12
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
EdTrice: That is true so I left it but I just wanted it to stop there before something got started. There is always someone prepared to be insulted. Wouldn't most people just like to talk about checkers?

8. februára 2005, 23:29:01
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: confine to checkers?
John Baker: Comments about "smart people" and "oh really" are the beginning of a flame war. That is my problem.

8. februára 2005, 20:12:20
Purple 
Please confine to checker discussion

8. februára 2005, 01:55:57
Purple 
Yep, nothing to it.

8. februára 2005, 01:43:33
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
Stevie: It takes a handful of moves to line up the three but there is lot of published play on how to do it.

5. februára 2005, 15:25:45
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
EdTrice: Do you have two examples?

27. januára 2005, 19:38:33
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Trivia Question
EdTrice: I have come across it only 1 time where the 1 King was strategicaly placed on a border..not in double corner. The 2 Kings could never get the move.

16. januára 2005, 21:50:51
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: The 3 move draw rule
EdTrice: It's an IYT rule. No checker fedration ever signed off on it.

16. januára 2005, 16:16:17
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: The 3 move draw rule
Jumper2: The site owner Pat told me once he knows nothing about checkers. The original purpose of the rule was to prevent a player who was in a 1-1 mathmatical draw from refusing the draw offers and carrying the game on forever. You are right in that it is a bad rule when applied in other cases. If someone stubbornly refuses a cerain draw here Fencer will step in when notified and declare the game a draw.

16. januára 2005, 15:13:47
Purple 
Subjekt: A Tough One
There is a pretty simple formula for 3 Kings to defeat 2 Kings in opposite double corners but it takes a bit of shuffling back and forth to line the 3 up properly. On IYT my opponent knew how to do it (I had the 2 Kings) but in the process of aligning he duplicated the same position 3 times and the site declared the game a draw. Unless someone knows a super fast way to do this I think it tilts the game unfairly.

15. januára 2005, 00:09:56
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Longest 10-piece win with 5 kings each
EdTrice: Very interesting.

17. novembra 2004, 02:54:26
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Re:
Zmenené užívateľom Purple (17. novembra 2004, 02:55:30)
Tried that with Trice. I opened with the Rattlesnake and he changed his move from the agreed openning. His program did the rest.

16. novembra 2004, 21:05:01
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Pro-checkers
Try Feature Request which Fencer reads.

16. novembra 2004, 15:06:07
Purple 
Caraheiro is banned

8. novembra 2004, 19:39:02
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Pro-checkers
Yep

6. novembra 2004, 14:07:03
Purple 
Subjekt: Poor Ed
Kiss of death. :)

3. novembra 2004, 16:25:45
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
Very reasonable. Most people on BK play 64 game matches. LOL

3. novembra 2004, 14:45:28
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: E Trice
I suppose if you can't shut people up on the checker board the next best thing is to shut them up on the discussion board. By default this makes Ustica the winner.

2. novembra 2004, 18:58:47
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
A game of checkers with Ustica

2. novembra 2004, 18:50:12
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
But Ustica is a credible opponent and it is not a frivolous challenge he makes. Playing within the BK framework..each man to his own devices..the match would be highly interesting. I can not think of a valid reason to avoid it.

2. novembra 2004, 18:21:11
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: My Bet
I don't think Ed can beat Ustica.

2. novembra 2004, 17:05:20
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
A lot of people including myself have beaten Chinook (it took me over 100 tries) and since it imposes a 4 min time limit per move it is unlikely those folks are using a program against it as it would allow no "deep study" time. Chinook apparently self corrects too because the same line won't work twice. It is sad a draw is a loss there because that pads Chinooks stats. Ed I'm sure many of your opponents betray their amaturism within a few moves and I assume you would put away your hardware at that point..or their won/loss record is so mediocre you don't consider them a threat. Allowing of course for a possible sandbag.

2. novembra 2004, 16:17:05
Purple 
Subjekt: Gothic Discussion
There is a lot of arguement over what is "cheating" there. I think it is the same rules for checkers. The question being debated is under what circumstances (if any) is the use of a program ethical? My opinion is that it is permissable if your opponent is informed BEFORE the game starts and is also using a program. Then it becomes a mine against yours type of thing. It is also OK IMO to analyze completed games. What is not acceptable is using one against an opponent who is not without their knowledge. There is a down side in any case..if you once use a program you can NEVER win another game that does not raise the cloud of suspicion..even if you stop using one. I have webtv and could not if I wanted to but I have always been fascinated by what programs can do. I recognize Trice as an accepted authority on the subject.

31. októbra 2004, 16:20:19
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Rec webtv
Checkers related subjects should be all that is discussed on this board for everyone..including myself. From this point on it will be. PM's and other boards can be used for other stuff.

30. októbra 2004, 16:43:21
Purple 
Also Slam is a friend and without him there would have never been a Kam for me.

30. októbra 2004, 14:44:15
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Rec webtv
Thanks for the post Mike but I am not sure the checkers DB is the best forum.

26. októbra 2004, 02:50:58
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: New faster site to download WCC
Thanks. Wish some genius could come up with a way to make it webtv compatible.

8. októbra 2004, 22:32:40
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Jim Loy
In explaining third position Jim Loy says that repetitive moves (to try to trap) do not result in draw. On most of these internet sites they indeed do.

22. septembra 2004, 22:16:52
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: 1
The move ends when you get the King.

20. septembra 2004, 00:40:29
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: 1
With webtv I have no computer. Also 50 losses means it must be a lousey one. LOL

20. septembra 2004, 00:26:25
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
At the risk of being a Plonker I must agree with you APolaris.

18. septembra 2004, 15:18:19
Purple 
Subjekt: IYT
By some quirk I am now #10 on the checker ladder and the only top player with a challenge open is Raymond Faircloth. He looks way too good. Congrats to Esperanza who recently took a huge ladder jump by making Purple blue. LOL

17. septembra 2004, 00:55:14
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: 1
Fencer might put it on his feature request list. Tell him it's Canadian checkers. :)

17. septembra 2004, 00:41:46
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: 1
Just screen your opponents but the site won't let you pass up a must jump.

16. septembra 2004, 23:00:25
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: 1
Rule dates back to 19th century.

16. septembra 2004, 20:18:39
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
A couple of years back there were people who declined draws in a 1/1 game in opposite double corners. They could drag them on for just spite. You had to write to the site to get the game declared a draw. Then they adjusted their computer so that the machine automatically called 3 consecitive same moves a draw. Now you have to write to have the game go on and both parties have to agree to it. Big pain.

16. septembra 2004, 17:20:46
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Need clarification on the draw rule
Darn right. On IYT was manuevering waiting for my opponent to make a mistake an I got slammed by the draw rule. No draw had been offered by either of us. The game was 4/4 even so there was a lot of checkers left.

14. septembra 2004, 15:14:52
Purple 
Plonkers does not sound good whatever it means. :)

13. septembra 2004, 03:36:17
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
Clint Olsen is awesome for a young guy. Master of the Smother. I got a draw first time I played him and never won another except when he timed out wit a winning board.

13. septembra 2004, 03:26:33
Purple 
Subjekt: Vegas Guys
There are some people who cut their teeth on the internet and then started playing competively in Las Vegas where it is over the board. Michael Heckert was so good that everyone accused him of programming when he was not and he got really stressed about it and quit playing for awhile. But he went to Las Vegas and won some youth division or something and proved everybody was wrong. Mainly we have to take people's word for things or just not play them.

13. septembra 2004, 00:41:59
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
If he forwarned opponents before games or the games were unrated or he was playing againt an admitted programmer I do not think it would be cheating. Very hard to prove anyway.

13. septembra 2004, 00:32:53
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
Perez is me or Perez is programming?

13. septembra 2004, 00:28:55
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
Many times tournament players on IYT have known each other for years and both know the other is using a program. That is not cheating. There was a great guy named Richard Fortman who said "bring on your program" even though he didn't use one himself. Did pretty darn good but he had 90 years experience. LOL

12. septembra 2004, 22:53:37
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
Especially by people of the feminine persuasion. But the alarm bells go off when a mediocre player becomes a world beater overnight. Again, no names.

12. septembra 2004, 17:10:37
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
I don't know Whitey or Jess. My name there is Purple. Just because someone has a program doesnt mean they always use it.

12. septembra 2004, 16:33:58
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
If APolaris is Perez he is a pretty good player. Number 14 on IYT ladder and looking at the one's ahead of him they are 90% programmers.

12. septembra 2004, 03:53:18
Purple 
Subjekt: Re:
Zmenené užívateľom Purple (12. septembra 2004, 03:54:23)
The name Anthony Perez is well known in the checkers community. We are close on the IYT checker ladder as I went from 40 to 15 after beating Manbear. I won't last there long as I am losing to Esperanza.

10. septembra 2004, 17:41:18
Purple 
Subjekt: Re: Re:
I hope the games (if they are played) will not be private games so we checker fans can follow the moves.

10. septembra 2004, 17:02:36
Purple 
When I play Chinook the return moves are instantaneous. This is all second hand knowlege but I understand that when you play against Nemesis as long a you make book moves it is very quick. If you go off book the program evaluates your moves and gives the operator a choice of replies and assigns each one a value which takes a bit longer. You can put the Nemesis on "deep study" in which it can take a lot of time or accept a move which is the result of a quick study. I have no doubt Ed's program is more state of the art and high tech. I believe he has said that the operator does make a differance, everything else being equal.

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