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5. novembra 2009, 17:09:34
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: Reveal Bug
SL-Mark: I think it would be good if it got changed. It's not fair to those who don't know it and even if you know you can forget it. How do others feel about it? Should we make a request?

5. novembra 2009, 17:08:54
Celticjim 
Zmenené užívateľom Celticjim (5. novembra 2009, 17:18:20)
I just assumed everyone knew this,I'm sure others will chime in but it was always something I bore in mind when making moves of that nature for many years now.Even if it is changed now it would be hard for me personally to break the habit of ALWAYS taking the recon first

5. novembra 2009, 17:07:16
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: Reveal Bug
SL-Mark:

I would consider it a bug and think it should be changed. I wouldn't expect it to be a difficult change (I suspect they need to update certain properties for individual piece moves and then again at the completion of all piece moves and the 'identified' flag is getting set in the first check instead of the second), but it should at least be documented somewhere obvious in the mean time.

I never knew the issue existed at IYT or here until now.

5. novembra 2009, 16:58:52
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Reveal Bug
Celticjim: I hadn't realised that. It does explain all my defeats. :)

I can't be the only one, as dAGGER too has just fallen foul of this.

Do you suggest we leave it as it is, or get it changed (if possible) so it doesn't matter the piece movement order with a move

5. novembra 2009, 16:54:24
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: Reveal Bug
SL-Mark:

Nice find.

This is news to me, but I will keep it in mind.

5. novembra 2009, 16:53:06
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Reveal Bug
dAGGER: Yes our game. I did leave you a message saying that your piece on g4 is now revealed!

5. novembra 2009, 16:42:00
Celticjim 
Subjekt: Re: Reveal Bug
SL-Mark:
I don't think it's a bug Mark.This was well documented on IYT where the same thing happened.

5. novembra 2009, 16:38:22
dAGGER 
Subjekt: Re: Reveal Bug
SL-Mark:
Did this happen in our game?
I'm taken notes about my unrevealed pieces!

5. novembra 2009, 15:23:05
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Reveal Bug
Just to let you all know, I have just reported a bug in one of my games.
If you make a move that captures a recon and in that same move, also move a '?' that would touch this recon, ensure that you take the recon first, otherwise the '?' will be revealed as it was seen before it was taken, even though it is the same move!

5. novembra 2009, 02:44:40
SL-GentleKiller 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: If a man has so many identities, what does it count one more in addition?

5. novembra 2009, 00:51:57
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
dAGGER: I think the clues are there for anyone to figure it out, but the short version is that happy hermit = quiet man = argyle socks = Eric Hanson etc.. I change my account every time I change computers. And I am no relation to jonaron . :)

5. novembra 2009, 00:46:07
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
SL-Mark:

Stand and fight? It seems I have little choice. :)

4. novembra 2009, 17:35:35
dAGGER 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit:
I followed all the thread about the identities of jonaron and quite man.
I'm afraid only people coming from IYT may read that.
Maybe someone should explain other players who really is quite man............

4. novembra 2009, 17:32:12
dAGGER 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
SL-Mark:
don't worry! I never make disguises in Open Fast.....
That "?" in F3 is exactly what it seems.......

4. novembra 2009, 17:30:37
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
happy hermit: I have so many disguises, I am having trouble following them all. Perhaps you should stand and fight, and uncover them for yourself

4. novembra 2009, 17:25:01
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
dAGGER: Yes, whilst all my disguises are wearing thin against you, that '?' you have on F3 has not been tested yet

4. novembra 2009, 17:13:28
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
SL-Mark:

Learning when to put to on the disguise and hide is the first step. Learning when to take it off and fight is the next step. :)

4. novembra 2009, 17:08:14
dAGGER 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
SL-Mark:
in Italy we don't paint our face and we wear our usual shoes, but if we want to make a disguise you will not realize it in time!
;-)

4. novembra 2009, 16:41:45
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
Chaos: Like all aspiring espionagers, just practicing the art of disguise and blending in with the back ground. In Scotland, wear a kilt and paint your face blue, in Holland wear wooden shoes and ride a bike; now you are prepared to deploy some subterfuge.
Just like that undetected '1' pretending to be a '5'

4. novembra 2009, 14:01:06
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
SL-Mark: I thought Dutch was my territory here  You're taking the wind out of my sails! Do all the Scots speak Dutch and wear wooden shoes nowadays or is it just you?

4. novembra 2009, 12:28:19
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
Chaos: That breaks my wooden shoe

4. novembra 2009, 12:19:18
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
Chaos: Nou breekt mijn klomp!

4. novembra 2009, 12:04:15
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
Zmenené užívateľom Chaos (4. novembra 2009, 12:06:54)
SL-Mark: Why didn't anyone tell me about this proverb before?!

4. novembra 2009, 00:19:07
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
Nothingness: Ah, thank you. That's because I practice the Dutch proverb: "An ounce of patience is worth a pound of brains." Patience being an important virtue of any exercise in espionage :)

3. novembra 2009, 23:42:14
Nothingness 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
SL-Mark: Sorry to hear that Mark but you sure play like you have brains!

3. novembra 2009, 18:57:33
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
Celticjim: Me too

3. novembra 2009, 18:01:15
Celticjim 
Subjekt: Re: Tourny for those with brains
SL-Mark: LOL I was surprised to find I had some

3. novembra 2009, 14:36:32
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Tourny for those with brains
Celticjim: Disappointingly, I have no brains!

3. novembra 2009, 14:30:14
Celticjim 
small fast tourny I just signed up for
30 brains entry
anyone interested
ALL GAMES 30 BRAINS ENTRY

3. novembra 2009, 05:47:14
Sir Lance-a-lot 
Subjekt: Re: League
Chaos: got it, thanks for the help

2. novembra 2009, 23:02:48
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: League
Zmenené užívateľom Chaos (2. novembra 2009, 23:08:12)
Sir Lance-a-lot: Welcome at BrainKing Sir Lance-a-lot, good to see you here! :) The interface here at BrainKing is quite different and takes some time to get used to. Here they call Sabotage 'Espionage' and they have the same variants, except for the corner variant.

There are a few differences. The volcano variants don't have fixed places for the volcanoes. They appear random in the middle in a symmetrical way.

Another difference is that at IYT you can 'shuffle' two unseen pieces around so your opponent doesn't know which of the two pieces is the unseen piece who just caught his 4. You understand what I mean? Here at BrainKing on the right side of the gameboard there is a notation of every move, so you can tell exactly which piece moved where.

The tournaments work very different as well. The good thing is we can design them ourselves and the results are automatically registered and neatly listed:



2. novembra 2009, 22:47:08
Sir Lance-a-lot 
Subjekt: League
Chaos, this is Lance-a-lot. What's the difference in this website and the games on IYT? I'd like to play a game with anyone who's up for it?

2. novembra 2009, 15:03:41
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
Chaos:

jonaron and I have played a few times.

In League events, we played Open in Season 6 (I won) and Season 8 (a draw). We also played Mini in a Speed Rush event. I forget the event, but he won our individual game.

And, we have played in some random IYT tournies over the years with pretty even results.

Of course, as you so accurately put it, "careful when it matters" starts at Move 1 with jonaron so he gets a different version of my game that almost anyone else. :)

2. novembra 2009, 14:58:08
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
Zmenené užívateľom happy hermit (2. novembra 2009, 15:53:01)
SL-Mark:

I don't know about 'worth studying', but to tie it back to another recent thread . . .if someone plays slow enough we are both a risk to time-out. In the past that was only an effective strategy against me (and sometimes against Jozsef). If it now works against jonaron it may catch on with more people. :)

2. novembra 2009, 14:16:23
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: Did you and jonaron ever play against eachother? I'd love to see such a match! :)

The one thing about looking at a match between 2 others is that you don't know what they can see unless you go through a lot of trouble noting it down. Which is hard enough when you're playing a game yourself.

2. novembra 2009, 14:00:26
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
Zmenené užívateľom Chaos (2. novembra 2009, 14:10:47)
SL-Mark: Thank you! Indeed I saw how you managed to bundle quite some compliments in one sentence in that post and I felt very honoured .

Trying to be a friendly person in daily life, it feels good to be as ferocious as I can on the battelfield . The thing I like best about espionage is that you can agressively attack with weak pieces, as long as you are capable to keep them unidentified.

2. novembra 2009, 12:37:22
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
Chaos: You are doing a fantastic job.

I was trying to shrewdly compliment you by suggesting that your approach was judicious and diplomatic, favoured traits of a moderator. Referring to our recent game and your ruthless annihilation of myself, I was hinting that there are also some sharp claws and teeth behind the ball of fur. I am sure however, that neither Eric nor myself, would have to face the Chaos Creature.

Although an attempt to create some light hearted banter, there is a serious note in Eric’s original posting, which is that both Jonaron’s and Quiet Man’s playing styles are worth studying.

Naturally we will support you.

2. novembra 2009, 11:48:16
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
SL-Mark: In espionage I can also completely mess up I'm afraid, completely surprising myself by not seeing obvious things. I hope you'll all help me when I overlook things as moderator!

 

As a moderator I can also ban myself (quite tempting to try this out), so if I mess up just say so, and I'll do the right thing ;)

2. novembra 2009, 11:43:26
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: So if you all get into fighting and screaming it's just a conspiracy to see how I react? ;)

1. novembra 2009, 21:11:03
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: Evidently as seriously as she takes her game of espionage, though she is not so diplomatic in her games, in fact quite ruthless as she recently demonstrated to me!

1. novembra 2009, 20:27:56
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
SL-Mark:

I was just testing how seriously Chaos was taking her new job here.

1. novembra 2009, 20:26:35
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: I believe you have just been judiciously "moderated" for your mischievousness

1. novembra 2009, 19:30:15
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
Chaos:

I'm not jonaron, I was just making a small joke about jonaron's increasing proclivity for timing-out. :)

1. novembra 2009, 17:34:05
Chaos 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: As I see it the only way to abuse language is by using it to hurt someone intentionally. Everyone has a different personal style and uses the words and expressions belonging to you.

 

People will not only recognise me as Dutch by the flag but also by the flaws in my English. That's only natural. Jonaron doesn't say much so I don't know about his English. The amount of speech is a big difference between jonaron and quiet man ;)

 

I'm sure they're not the same because I don't see either of them misleading us by joining a tournament twice. Also the playing style seems different to me. Jonaron plays more careful I think. He plays with more caution. Quiet man starts to play careful when it matters.

 

Well, Eric, you or Jonaron are the only ones who can answer this question for us.

1. novembra 2009, 16:31:13
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
SL-Mark:

At least it was something I could reply to . . . how can I reply to a comment about language skill from someone that's been so wronged by the language that he abuses it so? :)

1. novembra 2009, 15:32:54
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: I was throwing in one other into the equation and also to tease another ;)

1. novembra 2009, 14:31:41
happy hermit 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
SL-Mark: I think both are pretty good . . .it's just that the game gives one of them a headache. :)

30. októbra 2009, 21:18:34
Nothingness 
Subjekt: jonaron and quietman
no not the same person. Jonaron AKA ( Lightningbolt) his english is not as good as Quietmans. Jonaron is from canada and i think is French Canadian.

30. októbra 2009, 12:41:54
SL-Mark 
Subjekt: Re: jonaron - quiet man
happy hermit: Yes, but one seems to be good at extinction chess the other not

30. októbra 2009, 01:38:55
happy hermit 
Subjekt: jonaron - quiet man
jonaron and quiet man have extremely similar playing styles and both seem to time out a lot.

Has anyone considered that they might be the same person?

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