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My new gamepreset at chessvariants.com:
http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=Grosses+Schach+10x10&settings=Englisch_rules_1
Isn`t it nice?

What do you think about this "Great Chess 10x10" and his new pieces,which I have presented two years ago:

http://caissus.gmxhome.de/Rulesgreatchess_10x10.htm

There are two small freeware programs to try it out:
http://caissus.gmxhome.de/grossdemo.zip and

http://www.cmpgo.de/chess/engl/indexe.html (Misc./Downloads)

The "Great Chess 10x10" was invented in Germany by Erwin Ortlauf and first published in the German chess magazine `ROCHADE Europa` 08/1997 as "Das Grosse Schach 10x10".

My actual game at chessvariants.com:
http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game%3DGrosses+Schach+10x10%26log%3Dcaissus-cvgameroom-2005-335-699%26userid%3Dcaissus

and I have another invitation open:
http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=Grosses+Schach+10x10&log=caissus-cvgameroom-2005-342-477&submit=Accept

Fencer: O yes I see....What a pity!

is an interesting chessvariant played on a 10x8 board: http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/falcon.html

Perhaps we can have it as third 10x8 variant anytime?

Fencer: I agree, because the many pawns make the game perhaps a little bit viscously.Why not"wild 3" ? The game is very originally and you need no new pieces.Game examles are below.

Hi chessfriends, here please only comments about chessvariants which are not implementet on Brainking yet.Exception: FRC. Thanks.

Spirou: probably posted here by mistake. I have asked him to move his posting to Gothicchessboard.

... are games with random positions similar to FRC or Corner Chess.A very interesting wild variant is "Style 3" at USCL:
" In this variant the set of pieces is randomly chosen (subject to the constraint that there is one king of each color).It is quite possible to get more than the normal number of a given piece, such as three rooks or two queens. The pieces are
placed on the first rank behind the pawns, the position of Black's pieces mirrors White's placement, and castling is not allowed."

Three game examples played by me with a time of three minutes each player for the whole game:

[Event "GCS"]
[Site "GCS"]
[Date "2005.03.23"]
[White "Caissus"]
[Black "MrLudovit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1804"]
[BlackElo "1762"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[FEN "bbqnnqkq/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BBQNNQKQ"]


1. c4 e6 2. Nd3 a6 3. f4 Ba7+ 4. e3 Nc6 5. b3 Nd6
6. Nc3 Nf5 7. Qe2 h5 8. Kf1 h4 9. Nf2 b6 10. Bxf5 exf5
11. Nd3 d6 12. Nd5 Qfe8 13. Qg1 h3 14. Qgf2 Ne7 15. Qg3 hxg2+
16. Qgxg2 Nxd5 17. cxd5 c5 18. Qef2 b5 19. Qfg3 Qcd7 20. Qxg7+ Qxg7
21. Qxg7#
1-0

[Event "GCS"]
[Site "GCS"]
[Date "2005.03.23"]
[White "MrLudovit"]
[Black "Caissus"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1755"]
[BlackElo "1865"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[FEN "rrbqnrnk/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RRBQNRNK"]


1. f4 f5 2. a4 Ngf6 3. a5 d6 4. Ngf3 c5 5. c3 Bd7
6. Qc2 Qc8 7. d4 cxd4 8. Nxd4 Nc7 9. Nef3 Nb5 10. e3 Nxd4
11. exd4 b5 12. axb6 axb6 13. Rxa8 Rxa8 14. Ng5 Bc6 15. Be3 Ne4
16. Qe2 Nxg5 17. fxg5 Be4 18. Rbe1 Qc6 19. Bf4 Ra2 20. Rf2 Rfa8
21. h4 Ra1 22. Rxa1 Rxa1+ 23. Kh2 Rb1 24. Qh5 Qb5 25. g4 Rxb2
26. Rd2 Rxd2+ 27. Bxd2 Qe2+ 28. Kg1 Qg2#
0-1

[Event "GCS"]
[Site "GCS"]
[Date "2005.03.23"]
[White "Caissus"]
[Black "MrLudovit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1906"]
[BlackElo "1749"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[FEN "brrkqqqb/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BRRKQQQB"]


1. b4 b6 2. g4 e6 3. Bxa8 Rxa8 4. f4 c5 5. bxc5 Qxc5
6. Qxc5 Rxc5 7. Qf3 Rac8 8. Bc3 g6 9. Bxh8 Qxh8 10. f5 gxf5
11. gxf5 Rxf5 12. Qb7 Qe5 13. Qxa7 Qe7 14. Qxb6+ Ke8 15. Rb3 Q7f6
16. Rg3 Rg5 17. Rxg5 Qfxg5 18. Qbf2 h5 19. Qef1 f5 20. Q2g2 Qxg2
21. Qxg2 Ke7 22. Qg5+ Kd6 23. Rb1 Qxh2 24. c3 Rc6 25. Qg7 Qh1+
26. Kc2 Qe4+ 27. Kd1 Qh1+ 28. Kc2 Qe4+ 29. Kc1 h4 30. Qf8+ Kc7
31. Qb8#
1-0

Funny! "Betsy" and "The Baron" allow castling, "frenzee" does not!
"PGNtoJS" allows castling too.

Interesting, I have tried out it with "Arena" and "Compochess".Both programs allow the castling in this position.

AbigailII: Yes it is interesting too and playable also at ICC,USCL and Chessnet as "Wild 3":

"Style 3: In this variant the set of pieces is randomly chosen (subject to the constraint that there is one king of each color). It is quite possible to get more than the normal number of a given piece, such as three rooks or two queens. The pieces are placed on the first rank behind the pawns, the position of Black's pieces mirrors White's placement, and castling is not allowed."

Fencer: yes, good idea !

Fencer: Hm,interesting Fritz 7 gives White an advatage about +2,72. This is very much...

Chessvariants, where the strong computerprograms can not be used should have at least one fairy chess condition,a bigger board or a fairy piece or something.Another setup with the standard pieces and the standard board is not enough.
Chessvariants.com has many good ideas and I have suggested some of them in the past.
Will look if I can find them :-)

Fencer: I cannot see why this game should be not balanced,only because of one forced move sequence,which you must not choose.
Most chesservers like ICC,USCL,Chessnet have this game also.
But for myself I prefer chessvariants,where regular strong chessprograms cannot be used.And in this game you can use them.

"Arena" shows us,that the games in Sumerian`s tournement are started with position 647 !

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news&articleid=195619

Walter Montego: I don`t know it exactly.
But I know it was at first Bobby`s idea. But he had forgotten to patent it . And other important chesspeople had the idea to rename this game to "Chess960". And now if you look about some events people speak mostly about "Chess960". But there is not a protected name!

reza: I have found these informations only in German,perhaps because the WCC have been in Mainz,Germany.

Today we speak mainly about "Chess960" with Peter Svidler as the first world champion:
http://www.rochadekuppenheim.de/meko/meko4/chess960.htm

There is a new preset for Omega Chess at chessvariants.com. Something for us here at BK?
http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game%3DOmega%20Chess%26settings%3DAlfaerie

jcarrillovii:two weekend days per week and the players vacation days will be added to the player`s time.

I also think we should not exclude special positions. And I disbelieve,that there are positions which are especially bad for the one or for the other side. Or can give anybody an example for such a position?

Fencer: For these people chess and his variants surely are the false boardgames..

Fencer: I am sceptically

Sumerian: "Fritz 7" has read our game correctly too!

reza: Fencer had said that he want no intermixtures...Better some new originals.
My personal favourite is now bughouse/tandem as real team variant!

Bughouselinks:
>http://www.bughouse.info/

http://www.thebugboard.net/

Live-play is possible at
>http://www.uschesslive.org/dojo/25/v.jsp?p=/home


but you need there four players online at the same time...

Fencer: But Fencer,don`t you think that you can get more paying members with a more known game for example with Chinese Chess (best would be with western and eastern chesspieces) or with bughouse,which are also free?

http://www.chessvariants.org/multiplayer.dir/tandem.html

can be seen and bought on the interesting page of the french fairy chess enthusiast Jean-Louis Cazaux :
http://history.chess.free.fr/staunton.htm
These pieces can also be used as Janus, Chancellor, Archbishop and Amazon, which are not available here in Europe.
Does anybody know,where you can buy a chessboard 10x8 and 10x10? The single field should have about 5 -5,5 cm.

Hi Jose, could you please explain the activities of your email-chessclub? How many members has it and would they play perhaps here mainly and become paying members? This would allow you to organize special FRC-tournements and create FRC-fellowships.

In Pardubice happened this year the 15th championship of Chess,Bridge and other games (Go,Backgammon,Checkers etc) with 3600 players from 46 countries.Chess was played as blitz,tandem,with problems and fisher-random chess.Those who are interested can find more here:www.czechopen.net and www.czechtour.net.

is interesting as well and can be played at
http://www.schemingmind.com/.But better here :-)

Here an example for a setup on a
11x8board

Not absolutely.It should be only another suggestion to make this game playable for the players from the western world.I think would be enough if we could choose between the eastern and the western pieces.

I think it could be played as the same game except that the intersections are replaced by fields as adaptation to the western boardgames.

Here are some examples about Chinese chess with
western pieces and with western board

Perhaps with eastern a n d with western (chess) pieces, because the chinese pieces are very complicated for us from the western world?

Fencer, I will send to you some pics of the amazone as examples.

I want publish today 8 interesting chessvariants with regular set and board, but with some changed rules.
I hope we can play some of them on Brainking perhaps soon,if easy to implement :-).

1. Cylinderchess : The right and the left row are connected
www.chessvariants.com/boardrules.dir/cylindrical.html

2. Amazonechess: Queen is replaced by an amazone (=Queen +knight)
www.chessvariants.com/diffmove.dir/amazone.html

3. Benedictchess: At the end of a move the attacked pieces are changing their colours
www.chessvariants.com/difftaking.dir/benedict.html

4. Biformchess: the pieces are moving and taking in a different way
www.chessvariants.com/diffmove.dir/asymmetric.html

5. Cannibalchess: When a piece takes another piece, its gets the movement abilities of the piece it has taken.
www.chessvariants.com/difftaking.dir/cannibal.html

6. Chameleonchess: In each turn the rank of the moved piece changes.
Figur www.chessvariants.com/other.dir/chameleonchess.html

7. Berliner Chess: Pawns are moving diagonally and are takeing by moving one square straight
www.chessvariants.com/dpieces.dir/berlin.html

8. Emperorchess. The king may move to any square but must have a defender.
http://play.chessvariants.com/erf/EmperorC.html

You could add two or three pawns to White or replace one queen by a rook on Black`s side or something,but I am not sure if this is interesting and originally enough for an own variant.

Reza, your suggested startposition is not balanced. "Fritz" sees Black with a big advantage:
- + 2,72 ,that means winposition for Black!
I addition to it,I would recommend to add such chessvariants,with those the very strong computerprograms cannot be used!
I will publish in the next time a list with interesting variations,with regular board and regular chesset but with a little bit changed rules.

you can play it at Chessvariants.com...

can now be played "live" or as "email" with the new version 0.8 of MAX (Misc./download).An engine for analyzing is included.

Antichess - this game seems to be very analyzed and many variants are determined.
How,if we could have a variant like "Shuffle-antichess"?
The rules could be the same with the difference, that the pieces on the 1th/8th row are placed randomly.

WhisperzQ,I have bought this chessset at Erwin Ortlauf (the inventor),it was the last one.:).At this time he has looked for a company,which wants produce the chesset and the board in series. But I don`t know if he has found one.

These chess-applets are not a good reference, Nasmichael.If you want to play against computer you can use much better "Zillions of games".There is a zrf-data file available.You can also play at the mailserver at "chessvariants.com" against other people.

In our chessclub it was played sometimes as "tandem".Perhaps it could be interesting additionally to have such a teamvariant here in Brainking.

:) Whisperz,that`s why this variation is not very prevalent until yet. But I can say after some time you can become familiar also with these new pieces..
Btw I have the real pieceset of this game and you can see some pics on my page Caissus Chess